Black Box or Grinch

daniel · Back Big Joined: 26 Apr 2004 Posts: 3669 City: Duncan

I know people are probably tired of all the talk about winches.....but im wondering which one i should go with? and tell me pros and cons of each if anyone knows them...thanks
daniel

jerrysk8 · Posted: Jan 31, 2006 9:40 pm Post subject:

someone should make a winch FAQ and sticky it to the top with big ass bold title

daniel · Back Big Joined: 26 Apr 2004 Posts: 3669 City: Duncan

ya i knew i was gonna get shizzle about this....but this isnt a FAQ this is somehitng that can be discussed....and i would like for it to be discussed so i can make a decision...

chriscut · Backside 180 Joined: 28 Jun 2004 Posts: 2000

big_dee45, ive heard complaints about both. it is a new technology though, so thats expected. Everything improves with time, winches will get better.

you're going to need to find someone who has rode a few times (at least) with each one. good luck with that.

daniel · Back Big Joined: 26 Apr 2004 Posts: 3669 City: Duncan

Chris Barcellos, thanks man

dietwater5 · Posted: Feb 02, 2006 6:39 pm Post subject:

big_dee45, go jew yourself

xstfu ill pwn youx · Backside 180 Joined: 17 Nov 2005 Posts: 837 City: 954.

big_dee45, pirate winch

BillyOLDS · Posted: Feb 02, 2006 7:47 pm Post subject:

we have had a few prob with our winch but in my eyes all have been minor, like in one case there was a set screw that just got overlooked on the axle b4 getting sent out, sent the set screw and all is good. as far as our winch goes with pulling, its the only one on the market that i know that uses the clutch we do and it honestly feels like a boat is pulling you up. no jerking for anyone who rode the one we had at the blacktop brodeo.
my friend has a black box and had a prob with the rope spool but other than that it seems to work fine as well. i havent riden behind it but it uses the same clutch that we had on at the brodeo. rewind also uses the same style clutch.

tahoe · Posted: Feb 02, 2006 7:49 pm Post subject:

heard the blackbox has to be worn in to do deep water starts. its a reliable source, trust me Rolling Eyes

mario c. · Guest

i wonder what gets worn in to make it work. maybe the engine breaks in, so it produces more h.p..

kento911 · Kickflip Joined: 29 Mar 2004 Posts: 3657 City: Phoenix

well Im not sure sure what clutch system the grinch is currently using, but everyone seems to be stuck on the idea of friction based clutches, so Id be willing to bet its still a friction based clutch (headhunter??) as far as I know piratewinch is still the only winch that uses a directly meshing gear system with a hand clutch (aka wet multiplate setup) this is technology we revolutionized in the winch industry, and it means once you let go of the clutch with your hand there is NO slip giving it an extremely smooth and fast accellerating pull, the down side of my winch is that it is a little harder to operate, but it is alot more versatile than some of the smaller powerplant based winches, but again mine are standing at a 2200.00 dollar pricetag as well, however this includes everything but, your handle, gas, and a buddy it already comes with 400ft. rope and oil. . . . so far the list of people that have ridden the pirate winch goes. . .Justin Scott, Chris at Omen, Kyle Walton, Myself, John Ruark, and I cant remeber if Justin Shock got to ride it, and so far the only complaint was from Kyle Walton who said it was too fast, and it was, because I mis-judged how much speed he would get coming off the rail, but my advise is to ask around to some people who have ridden several types of winch

bigrand · Faceplant Joined: 24 Dec 2005 Posts: 29

Hey kento911 are u selling ur winch yet or what? Is it the pirate winch? If so ur website shows no update

What up

Big Rand

HYPOXIC FILMS · Posted: Feb 03, 2006 3:12 pm Post subject:

The BLACKBOX does need to be warmed up to do deep water starts. We suggest in our owners manual that when you first recieve your BLACKBOX you turn it on and let it run. I know when you first get it your so pumped you want to start ripping people right away. Youve got to understand what a winch is. Its a motor. Everything at first has a "break in period" car/boat/jetski/motorcylce.

BillyOLDS · Posted: Feb 03, 2006 4:21 pm Post subject:

kent we are using a torque converter style, that as u would say"we revolutionized in the winch industry"
it slips for a smooth get up and no recoil that we found on the clutch that we had at the brodeo

kento911 · Kickflip Joined: 29 Mar 2004 Posts: 3657 City: Phoenix

headhuntermx4, ahhh a CVT, I played around with those, may I make a suggestion call your mfg. and stock spare belts, seriously CVTs need to have the belts replaced after so many hours, but its a fair trade off for how smooth and simple they are kudos on ditching the Centrifugal its a real loser

kento911 · Kickflip Joined: 29 Mar 2004 Posts: 3657 City: Phoenix

bigrand, yeah we are about 2% from production, s I wont go into details, but essentially supply and time complications, but yes we are gearing up to do a production run of ten, and based on how easy it is for me to maintain the logistics we may do more, the web site shoudl be updated in 2 weeks