This one is long, but necessary

suckmywake · Faceplant Joined: 17 Dec 2003 Posts: 25

i'm not trying to start a fight, but i've found wood to sit in the water different that composite, especially in rough water. one day i rode two boards back-to-back and the wood deck seemed to ride lower while the composite bounced on top of the water a lot more. i like the way the wood board rode a lot better than the composite, it was way smoother, thus easier to pop, etc... ironicaly, the boards i'm talking about were the original mutiny decks like a year and a half ago.

as far as lf, their wakeboards are sick, and i'll always stand behind that, but their skates are pretty cheap rip-offs.

schmaltz, good luck with next year. i hope everything goes really well...

PIRATE · Guest

INTEGS, sit low in the water like a wood deck and have mad pop, also they last like a million and one years

Schmaltz · Backside 180 Joined: 16 Sep 2003 Posts: 721 City: San Jose

wakeskate77 · Frontside 180 Joined: 20 Sep 2003 Posts: 335 City: HELL

mabey theses companys are scared of what you got and are trying to be like you so you wont bee the new, diffrent thing anymore. its there way of putting you out.

seven11dmd · Posted: Nov 11, 2004 2:54 pm Post subject:

bama · Pop Shuvit Joined: 22 Oct 2004 Posts: 119

[. As for LF and hyperlite, yes they deserve to die and I hope they burn in hell.[/quote]

Shocked

lol

I guess you can view this two ways. The bad side (obvious)

And the good side.

Atleast wakeskating is evolving enough that big companies are truly starting to see the potential it has and soon will be (not money making but the true aspect of skating). It wasn't too long ago most boarders didn't give a shizzle about wakeskating. Progression is definately a good thing. It would be nice if they tried to come up with their own stuff though. I'll definately ride my chewed up k39 over that though, atleast its an innovative design. Copying other peoples stuff is just going to slow the sport down and cause a TON OF POSERS.

bama

electricsnow · cassette Joined: 14 Sep 2003 Posts: 10756 City: Jefferton

suckmywake, I agree with you. All it comes down to is personal preference...

Pirate, I disagree with you. They don't sit low in the water straight out of the box. People have said that if you round the rails, then it will sit lower.

wakeskate77, I agree with you (and it is true--the larger dudes have always tried to squeeze out the smaller dudes in this industry). Erich is a new competitor in the industry (at least with these wakeskates) and he's obviously taking some of the market share from the greedy pigs. And I'm sure they're freaked because he had something completely different and an image/heart that people have responded to--which is something they don't have. Whateves, whateves, I feel like I'm being redundant on here...

Michael Griffin · Faceplant Joined: 11 Nov 2004 Posts: 1

Just so yall know, liquid force, hyperlite, and obrien are all owned by the same guy, so thats why they all have the same graphics and seem to steal ideas, but thats just what the local shop owner told me.

Dave Barousse · Faceplant Joined: 10 Sep 2003 Posts: 5

SEAMAN · Frontside 180 Joined: 14 Sep 2003 Posts: 388 City: Atlanta

Suckmywake,
I understand what you are saying 100%, but you have to realize it’s not the wood that makes it sit deeper in the water. Like Electricsnow said, it has to do with the shape of the board, not the material used. I hate when people talk about a board being more or less buoyant, which relates to the material. At 18-23 mph, buoyancy is a negligible force. The other thing you said, the way it bounced. That also deals with the shape, but one thing wood does offer is a dampening effect. One reason wood is great. Hit a rail with a cassette and then a hyperlite, the cassette is soft and sits nice on the rail, the hyperlite, bangs loud and reverberates. On the water, sure that is the case as well, but if the board is designed correctly, it can take away from that reverberating feel. Now, not to be too persuasive, but take Integrity boards, for example. It does not reverberate like a hyperlite, because it is made with a different material. More than wood yes, but not much. Wood or foam and fiberglass, that’s been our choice. Its why so many have loved the "wood" feel. But like Erich has said many times before, when is this industry going to start changing for the better, trying new materials, which can offer a higher quality and better ride. So that’s why he’s doing it. This industry is too stuck in their ways. I remember some old wakeboards that had those qualities, indestructible, with different materials. What were they called? Who designed them?

Soapbox what?

SEAMAN

gregg · Backside 180 Joined: 08 Nov 2003 Posts: 681 City: Killen

all thi talk about big companies trying to squeeze out little companies reminds me of what schamltz said on the mutiny on the bounty dvd extras. i dont remeber exactly what he said, but baiscally he said it is amazing what the big guys in the wake will do if they start to feel threatened by the little guys, just to get the little guys out of the picture.

if you got the movie from integrity after the moive is over you see a red screen with a guy in the middle, click below the guy and a word "prooganda" should appear, click on that, and its an interview with schmaltz and Horrell about "mutiny on the bounty"

BillyOLDS · Posted: Nov 11, 2004 11:16 pm Post subject:

awsome section ive watched it so much

PIRATE · Guest

electricsnow, the integ does sit lower in the wat out of the box then anyother compression moleded " i know the integ isn't comp, moled" board, and what i was trying to say is that everyone i know that likes wood better then comp... molded likes the integ,

BillyOLDS · Posted: Nov 12, 2004 11:35 am Post subject:

i have a a liberation and it sits fine in the water. the only comp board taht ive ridedn that doesnt is the catylists. the integ sits fine in the water also.

northernmonkey · Faceplant Joined: 26 Oct 2004 Posts: 12

electricsnow · cassette Joined: 14 Sep 2003 Posts: 10756 City: Jefferton

I don't know pirate, I feel like you're regurgitating what everyone else is saying...but I guess to each his own.

nick · Posted: May 06, 2005 10:54 am Post subject:

EVERYONE NEEDS TO READ THIS ENTIRE THREAD.

SUPPORT RIDER OWNED CO...

I/\/TEGRITY WAKESKATES

electricsnow · cassette Joined: 14 Sep 2003 Posts: 10756 City: Jefferton

why are people digging up all of these old threads?

nick · Posted: May 06, 2005 11:36 am Post subject:

I felt it necessary. That NoPidy guy was dragging them up for no reason...

warlock · Backside 180 Joined: 20 Jan 2005 Posts: 1503 City: AC

why did my cassette wakeskate bag come w/ a liquid force label on it (the removable kind w/ the little plastic thing) ?