new bach of bi-levels

masi · Posted: Feb 25, 2005 9:52 am Post subject: new bach of bi-levels

hey guys srry bout tht defect thing. they made a new batch and there amazing. im gettin mine in like 1 week.

robert · Posted: Feb 25, 2005 10:50 am Post subject:

... silly guy!! Haven't seen the new batch yet but you already know they are amazing. Get real!

I will tell you one thing, the new batch will still delaminate! Why? Because it's wood!!!

Maybe the Bi-Level is a great design but it has so many curves and corners in it, water will always come between the sheets.

If Cassette wil stay on the case they have to look out for other base material, seriously.

Slaytwebeling · Pop Shuvit Joined: 23 May 2004 Posts: 152 City: G-town

So lets say u break u one of the old ones after like a week will Cassette send u a new one

kento911 · Kickflip Joined: 29 Mar 2004 Posts: 3657 City: Phoenix

AndrewMasi1234, you could have added this to yourt last post, for future reference try not to start a topic unless it really needs to be separate, soor to be a mod jerk, but seriously, it helps us tp hav eless clutter

Morphine · Backside 180 Joined: 03 Jun 2004 Posts: 1207 City: 706omg

kento911, hey mod boy how about you learn to type? (just kidding <3 )

robert, netherlands boy how many bi-levels have you freakin ridden for long enough to see if they delam!? Wood delams yeah, but other base materials are crap.

BillyOLDS · Posted: Feb 26, 2005 12:22 am Post subject:

ive been riding compresiopn for a while and its nice for longevity reason but for real imo wood is just a better feel especially on rails and kickers. i have had my 03 thomas for a longass time and its still riding strong....so yeah i made a point

robert · Posted: Feb 26, 2005 4:50 am Post subject:

Morphine; I haven't ridden the bi-level but i saw a new one at the expo in Germany. It was already delaminating before it has seen water!!

No offens but there were large openings between the sheets in the corners of the top deck at the point where the kicktail starts.

But hey, its from Cassette so it good Wink

I wonder why Cassette is still working with wood, it has costs them lots of time/money/trouble. I would say. the 2006 mission for Cassette would be other base material. If they start with composite I am sure all of you guys here on the forum like it, because it is from Cassette.

M@ · Faceplant Joined: 24 May 2004 Posts: 49 City: Gainesville

Ok...so I hardly ever feel the need to post on this site, but I check it out daily and have done so since the old message boards existed (for all you elitists that look at post counts).

But seriously, there
1. does NOT need to be a new topic every time someone hears or sees that a Bi-Level delaminated or cracked.

2. needs to be a realization that wood and water don't mix....and delamination and warping are going to occur. Despite this, Cassette chooses wood because thats what they feel offers the best skate feel.

3. needs to be a live and let live philosophy---everyone has to throw in their flippin' ride a _________ deck after every post. Ride the deck you like for the reasons that you have to ride it and get on with life. People can educate themselves and make a choice on their own without "political" quips in every post.

Posting about boards breaking or this company is wrong etc does nothing but make people look like a bunch of petty kooks.

Cassette does their thing, Integrity does theres and Hype, LF etc all do theirs. Ride what you like and support who you want to support.

And ALWAYS believe everything you read on the internet.

M@ · Faceplant Joined: 24 May 2004 Posts: 49 City: Gainesville

Oh, and don't expect me to respond for a while, if at all since I know someone will flame me for being opinionated........i'm leaving the country for a week.

Sinkoumn · Posted: Feb 26, 2005 11:59 am Post subject:

So what do retailers do in this situation? The odds that all the first batch of boards delaming are slim (but many of them will as I've been hearing), but will the retailers like wakside just hang on to the old batch and sell them with the mix of the new batch? I'm just wondering if Cassette called the first set of boards back or what, not that big of a deal, but what's going on with that?

BillyOLDS · Posted: Feb 26, 2005 2:02 pm Post subject:

Sinkoumn, very good point i was wondering the same thing. i know that the people that got the first batch and it delamed can get a hold of thomas and prob get a new one some how but i dont know if the old one needs to be sent back or not

SleuCrew · Posted: Feb 26, 2005 6:44 pm Post subject:

I highly doubt that all of the decks will delam or crack... well in due time depending on how hard you ride/care for your deck has alot to do with this. But ITCH has made it quite clear that if you have a deck that has problems to contact the retailer you bought it from and they should arrange to replace it for you or send it back to cassette and have a replacement sent to you.

If you have no luck with the retailer you you purchased your deck from then contact ITCH or cassette directly and the problem will be resolved.

IMO: Cassette should of maybe gotten a little more info on who is mass producing the decks due to the fact that the manufacturer skipped the whole thought of marine sealant in the first batch.

For some reason i think alot of you expect to never hear or see a board break from ANY company... All wood decks from any company have proven that they are not bullet proof and will delam over time, when things are mass produced they are never 100% flaw free and there is always a percentage of decks that slip through and do break or delam. THIS IS WHY WE ALL HAVE A WARRANTY on our decks, Remember that we all know that wood and water dont mix well... when it comes to durability. Although boards that are made of other materials are not flawless, im sure there are those of you that have broken a wakeboard or a compression molded skate. its just a fact of life.

I cant speak for the other companies, but at Premier are all trying to make wood decks that are more durable. And i think we have succeeded to do that, but again things are never perfect.

Those of you that spend so much time here talking and keeping the rumors going about this company or that company should go out and spend a little more time on the water riding your board hard enough to break it.

itch · Posted: Feb 26, 2005 10:10 pm Post subject:

Thanks SLEU you nailed it.
As I have stated in previous posts we issued a call back from all retail shops on ALL the extra boards. And no all the boards from the first batch will delam and if you are on your second board then your secound is from the first batch if you don't have problems don't worry about it until IF it does. My advice is if you have a first batch ride that thing hard stomp those landings. Don't mistreat it just ride it hard. ANY questions just ask me don't ask the board that just starts inuendo's and rumor's.
itch

Greg T · Skeezer Joined: 13 Sep 2003 Posts: 2448 City: ohio

Any chance of getting ahold of one of the recalled boards for cheap Laughing

PM me

itch · Posted: Feb 27, 2005 6:19 pm Post subject:

No thomas is pretty picky on keeping the trash out of peoples hands, but email him you never know.
itch

Slaytwebeling · Pop Shuvit Joined: 23 May 2004 Posts: 152 City: G-town

I emailed Thomas and this is what i got

Hello! Your board could be one of the first decks that got sent out
that might have had the wrong glue pressed in it. We're almost done
with the next batch of decks with the right glue and a super sealant
that protects the boards longer than anything we've ever put out. Just
ride the board that you got from Boardstop, and let me know how it goes,
and if you have a problem at all, we'll replace the deck and you'll be
good to go.

Thanks for the support and congrats on buying the best wakeskate going,

thomas

Hopefully this will answer some of ur questions

Greg T · Skeezer Joined: 13 Sep 2003 Posts: 2448 City: ohio

I'd say that would answer anyones questions.

Thomas sounds like a very nice guy.

LFfool246 · Pop Shuvit Joined: 04 Oct 2004 Posts: 178

How much longer until the shops receive the 2nd batch of the cured bi-levels?

BillyOLDS · Posted: Mar 01, 2005 1:22 am Post subject:

performance is due anytime this week or maybe early next week.

itch · Posted: Mar 01, 2005 7:12 am Post subject:

On friday Thomas said they had to cure for one week, thus I believe Headhunters estimate next week would be on point.
itch