Hyperlite rips off Cassette Bi-level

Catalyst · Backside 180 Joined: 16 Nov 2003 Posts: 736 City: Kelowna

itch your defending them because your doing the right thing and your tired of all the shizzle that goes on this site with people not knowing hwta theyre talking about

Morphine · Backside 180 Joined: 03 Jun 2004 Posts: 1207 City: 706omg

Maybe I really DO know what the hell I'm talking about. After all I've ridden all their recent skates except the Byerly

electricsnow · cassette Joined: 14 Sep 2003 Posts: 10756 City: Jefferton

I don't know why I'm getting into this anymore, but I will...the weather sucks up here (I can't ride yet) and I'm feeling feisty.

Firstly, the first year or two hype made "wakeskates" they didn't use new designs. They simply used their fluid boards and put foam on top (and charged nearly as much for a waterskate as they did for a wakeboard). The first year (imo) that they really made a wakeskate was the year they made those wood decks. And you know, I don't really care what their boards are made out of now...I don't really know why people call them mini-wakeboards because the designs are still different from a wakeboard.

Secondly there ARE team riders that prefer wood to compression molded foam. I know, I have an interview with brian grubb and he talked about a couple of team riders that still prefer wood to comp. molded foam. Blahhhh...zzzzzzzzz.....

BLPskater · Faceplant Joined: 06 Aug 2004 Posts: 20 City: Orlando

ok heres my 2 cents i know hyperlite is hated on severly but hey who cares ok their new i think byerly has the 2 fins like cassette on the 4 trac which makes me think if they take that idea they will take the bi-level idea

my 2 cents Crazy Eyes

Catalyst · Backside 180 Joined: 16 Nov 2003 Posts: 736 City: Kelowna

they didnt take the 4 trac idea, all they did was want to be able to do noseslides to. When molded in fins were introduced to wakeboards and people wanted to ride finless was every other company that added molded in fins ripping them off to. Every product designed is progression. Sure hyperlite may have got the idea from cassette but in my oppinion they probably made it better. Think about it if you went out with your 4 trac to do noslides i bet by the end of the day of doing alot of nose slide you probably would have broken or severly cracked a fin or two. Hyperlites idea incorporated skate trucks and will be far more durable. One idea leads to another if you stuck with the first model of everything you would still be in your caveman robes, eating shrubs and whipping your ass with a pine cone

BLPskater · Faceplant Joined: 06 Aug 2004 Posts: 20 City: Orlando

tru i didnt think bout that good call

do u ride a hyp.(cuz the name catalyst) Birthday

electricsnow · cassette Joined: 14 Sep 2003 Posts: 10756 City: Jefferton

They're far more durable, but severely limiting when it comes do doing other tricks while that block is attached (I've mentioned this before so I won't talk about it again, but I'm sure you know what I'm talking about).

Quite frankly, I think the kampus fin would have been the way to go, but whateves.

nick · Posted: Sep 06, 2004 1:57 pm Post subject:

im done on this. ive said all that i need to.

Catalyst · Backside 180 Joined: 16 Nov 2003 Posts: 736 City: Kelowna

BLPskater, I do have a catalyst that i dont use anymore but thats not why my name on here is catalyst. electricsnow, and you never no the block may nt be as big and obstructing as you may think, remeber when your riding your board is never completly flat to the water the fin part probably stays out of the water, lipslides wouldnt be bad either as the fin would hang over the wake

David Legler · Posted: Sep 06, 2004 2:45 pm Post subject:

ok, i'm not a huge hyperlite fan or anything, however I do have an '04 byerly but only cause A) i though i would use it for rails so i didn't mess up my cassette or integrity and B) it was free. Like I said, I am not a big fan and if i had a choice its not the board i would choose to buy/ride. However, I can stand to ride it, but I believe that it is deffinatly not the worst board ever and sucks and blah blah blah what everyone else seems to say on this board. I think the hyperlite noseslide fin needs to be treated like the bi-level, and no one can really say much, good or bad, about it or the bi-level until they have tried it.

hpdvs · Frontside 180 Joined: 05 Jan 2004 Posts: 288 City: Dallas

Well said, we can't be dissing all this shizzle if nobody has ridden it. Or blowing it out of proportion, the Hype Bi-level could be a big hoax by some punk bitches.

jono · Pop Shuvit Joined: 23 Jan 2004 Posts: 193 City: T.O.

i dont know if you look at it , the bi level idea started with burton snowskates so even if hype was ripping off cassette, cassette ripped of the snow skate industry.

SleuCrew · Posted: Sep 06, 2004 4:48 pm Post subject:

You know i was over this topic... but i do have some more to add.

Its funny that you bring up Bruton and the bi-level snowskate. The Orignal Bi-level snowskate was actually invented in 1970 by a french guy who who had attached a ski to a old skateboard deck. If you dont belive me i can provide you with a copy of the patent he held on it. And if you look a little deeper into this Burton and Solomon were at a small war of who could release it first because they were both building the almost exact same thing and doing r&d on it prior to the release of the bi-level snowskate as we know it.

With this being said it goes back to my point of the evolution of the sport. Most things in board sports are brought on from others. My hate for Hyperlite products and my hate for the people that run it is somewhat personal, being that i worked for them for some time and i am quite familiar with the way things are run over there. either way i know that thier products are second rate and im not too concerned about thier bi-level even comparing to the Cassette product.

I will never make a coment about someting unless i have some sort of a fact to back it up. well unless it is something saracastic like talking about grubb and his highlights HaHa... im just pissed cause he has better hair than i do!

Josh · Posted: Sep 06, 2004 4:48 pm Post subject:

Yeah, well snowskates were obviously ripping off Bi-Planes, because they had the term 'bi-' first... C'mon, they are two very different concepts.

But don't get me started on how they all ripped off bi-sexuals.

electricsnow · cassette Joined: 14 Sep 2003 Posts: 10756 City: Jefferton

catalyst, have you seen where that block mounts? It's mounted where the channels start. It's cool that other people can now noseslide on other boards (hence, the shared idea jobby) and I never said that it wouldn't work, but please, let me know how it works out when you try to 50-50 with that thing on.

As for the bi-level/snowdeck argument, if you've seen the cassette ad with the bi-level, you'll see that it's completely different from a snowskate. And I think a good place to start is the fact that a snowskate doesn't ollie off of itself.

Bi-planes are rad...i'm out...

kento911 · Kickflip Joined: 29 Mar 2004 Posts: 3657 City: Phoenix

Josh, as much as I do like some of hyperlite's stuff I have to say that is a very true post, and definately makes a point without being a "bash" post. same goes for you electricsnow,

electricsnow · cassette Joined: 14 Sep 2003 Posts: 10756 City: Jefferton

Yeah, I just think it will be risky business if you're trying to 50-50 a narrower rail (you know, not a box or whatever). You know, a skate truck either matches, or comes within a quarter of an inch of the skate deck. THis thing looks to be about a quarter of the width (or so).

Just like tom cruise...risky business.

kento911 · Kickflip Joined: 29 Mar 2004 Posts: 3657 City: Phoenix

electricsnow, I guess I kinda like that post too

electricsnow · cassette Joined: 14 Sep 2003 Posts: 10756 City: Jefferton

Yeah, I edited it so it would have words...the picture actually came from a hyperlite ad...I thought it was funny...

The Pavement 3.6 · Backside 180 Joined: 23 Jan 2004 Posts: 572 City: Eustis

i wish i could water ski...
anyway i agree with electricsnow on the 50-50 but what if you have 2 pvc pipes? you wouldnt be able to pull spins on the rail or hit funboxs either huh?