Infinite Universes Theory (mind blowing!!!)

[Classy]

dylo, Glad you caught onto my sarcasm...?

cheapskate, yup...

JeffKnox, I'm done with this...

[kyle13]

JeffKnox, you're points are valid and you are correct, the argument can and does exist. I just didn't think the video really added to that argument. It's something I will have to do some research on, which shouldnt be hard since I'm taking a "bible as literature" course right now for one of my major works and writing exit credits (secular class taught from a non-religous viewpoint). Strangely that argument hasn't really ever come up in that class and I haven't heard much about it in any other classes either. The debate I find more common is how much mythology is mixed with Jesus in the bible. I have faith that miracles did (and do) exist but some question if He was more than just a man.

I didn't understand what the video was trying to say about the parrallels in the NT gospels, do you know what she was trying to prove by that? Just curious since my bible lit class is hitting the gosepels pretty hard right now.

I was talking to my friend about the Jesus existing debate and said he'd heard of it. He told me he thought there was a few references to Jesus or Nazareth but other references were "the blessed one" or "the messiah"? So there might be some stuff to go on there. I'll see if I can talk with me professor, I'm sure he'll have some sort of reason for the lack of references.

What about the other writing that weren't included in the biblical cannon, like the "Q" document and the gospel of thomas which are supposedly made up of Jesus's sayings? Obvisouly there is much speculation as to the authenticity but it's seems far fechted that peple would make up an entire life, with morals, lessons, storys and sayings just to get religous points across.

A guess as to why there may not have been much reference to jesus in outside writing could have something to do with how the government viewed him. Most people (even his disciples for awhile) thought Jesus was a revoloutionary messiah, one that would overthrow the government. It was dangerous to be associated with Him, He was put to death, one his own disciples denied even knowing him. I'm not sure if this would influence how records were taken at the time (and if certain ones were destroyed) but I'll look into it.

I don't know off the top of my head what was written during Jesus's lifetime that are still preserved until now, do you know of any? I'll look into that as well.

Classy, if you really do have references I don't understand why you wouldn't share. I never heard jeff call you close minded at all?

[Classy]

kyle13, This is bigger than one thread...and Not aimed at Jeff. I respect Jeff alot. And hope to one day sit down over some lunch and chat it up like long lost bros

[kyle13]

If you really do have references I don't understand why you wouldn't share?

Which other threads?

[Classy]

kyle13, I do not have links to go to an online website...Only vague memories from studies I have done of some other studies people have done...That is why I didnt go into detail...I have no proof of the things I said...so I shouldnt have said anything...

There are lots of threads...Not per say directed at me being close minded... But Christians in general being close minded...I like to think I'm rather open minded

[JeffKnox]

kyle13, haha that was a big read.... im going to start off with your bringing up the 'Q' document... the q document does not exist... at least we dont know if it did or not.... from all of my religious studies i have gotten that the general consensus is that there was a document that existed before the 4 gospels that the gospels used as a reference when they were written.... since the the first gospel written was mark scholars think that matthew and luke took passages and used references from mark and this q document... that is why matthew mark and luke have very similar and overlapping texts... john on the other hand was written much later and probably in stages so it dosnt have as many parallels as the other 3... if this Q document (Q is just the name scholars gave this possible document) does exist it probable dates much closer to jesus lifetime... which would probably answer alot of questions about that time period... problem is no one has found it... now the gospel of thomas was written way behind the origional gospels.... probably close to 200 ce... which means it had influences of other christian documents already written...

[Classy]

JeffKnox, Which is why I loved the old school threads. Where you, TNT, Brassmonkey and Myself could all get jiggy and speak it. and other people would come along and spice things up. Pirate, Kyle, and Delta Rider have some killer respect in my eyes. I just hate people calling people close minded because their mind is set on something...Thats not being close minded...

[uidzero]

psst, classy, it's "closed minded" not "close minded"

[Classy]

[deltarider]

I think we should bring The Moral Law into this. haha

[provin1327]

holy crap this thread is still going, although its spawned into a totally different thread, its still here, dam, oh and im on spring break, so I can't get the name of the guy who disproved the big crunch for a while

[deltarider]

"Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind."
Who can name that person?!?!?!

[brassmonkey]

Late pass.