NEED INPUT ON AD DESIGN (NEW)

tahoe · Posted: Nov 30, 2007 6:35 pm Post subject:

uidzero, lets hear these reasons that r so good to bring in the lawyer line or complain so much that wakevision is using them.....

Frye · Guest Joined: 14 Sep 2003 Posts: 3335

This really doesn't have anything to do with whether the picture is good or not, it is the fact that he used it without permission to do so. The photographer has rights to the image in all cases. In this case, uidzero. If wakevision didn't keep doing this with videos and now pictures, it wouldn't be a big deal.

RastaLax52 · Posted: Nov 30, 2007 6:37 pm Post subject:

KL you a gentleman and a scholar
may father time bless your soul

nick · Posted: Nov 30, 2007 6:41 pm Post subject:

Creepy KL, real creepy.

Father Time blesses you anyhow.

wakevision · Faceplant Joined: 28 Nov 2007 Posts: 18 City: BEND

Frye you need to calm down bro... wakevision is not doing this so please get your facts straight before you keep stating that were stealing photos and videos....It was all a misunderstanding with the pic and me and uidzero got it all straightened out. I'm trying to settle things with you to FRYE but your not responding, so at least I tried.

jordan · Backside 180 Joined: 15 Feb 2005 Posts: 649 City: Spectre

brassmonkey · Posted: Nov 30, 2007 7:35 pm Post subject:

Fvck man. We get it, you are pissed that he used the photo without permission, everyone backed you and ripped him apart. He took the ridicule like a man and abandoned the photo and what he was doing. Its time to get over it and look for something else to be pissed off about, jesus god in heaven.

scott a · "a" is for angel Joined: 17 Feb 2004 Posts: 4126

uidzero · Kickflip Joined: 01 Jun 2005 Posts: 3839 City: Casselberry

KEEF · Pop Shuvit Joined: 25 Oct 2007 Posts: 218 City: orlando

scott a you make no sense go jump of a bridge seriously homie its alot diferent to go out and make a video for a year and a half vs. going out one day with mediocre conditions and a lil digi cam and getting pissed some guy used ur shot. GO DIE i put so much to make that vid and for u some talentless kook to say that you can go watch the chick flick with your friends at dpc films you vagina!!!!!

scott a · "a" is for angel Joined: 17 Feb 2004 Posts: 4126

But...but...you're no Justin Stephens, and nobody's ever heard of you and your video, or wakeskating at all.

Right?

I mean, isn't that the arguement that your bro is making? Give your work away because it'll help your name and it'll help you show others what wakeskating is all about. Right?

Oh, wait, no. Now it's about you, and how dare we ever tell you to give something you made away for free!

Photo, video, it's all intellectual property, and if this crap went to court uidzero would win no doubt about it.

samgoskate · Posted: Nov 30, 2007 8:31 pm Post subject:

I <3333333333333 ESOTERIC, I watch it every night before I go to bed.

uidzero · Kickflip Joined: 01 Jun 2005 Posts: 3839 City: Casselberry

KEEF, I did get a gnarley grip burn on the inside of my leg that day... And then continued to stand around in 90 degree lake howell taking photos and skating for three days so I got a staph infection, and that sucked Smile

Anyway Esoteric was sex and these photos suck....

jordan · Backside 180 Joined: 15 Feb 2005 Posts: 649 City: Spectre

UGGGG it doesn't matter what the photos look like or how much effort goes into videos, photographs are the property of the photographer and he was not asked permission, was not given a photo credit and did not want his photo used, BOTTOM LINE. Bang Head

nick · Posted: Nov 30, 2007 9:06 pm Post subject:

Meebers.

TannerC · Backside 180 Joined: 17 Mar 2005 Posts: 1694 City: Nanaimo

goodness gracious.

samgoskate · Posted: Nov 30, 2007 9:10 pm Post subject:

Great balls of fire

bob. · Posted: Nov 30, 2007 9:17 pm Post subject:

yea i ate a big red candle Birthday

NaRC-P rider · Posted: Dec 01, 2007 3:31 am Post subject:

<<First>>

scott a, what you're saying doesn't make sense to me. I thought that that dude thought his photo was the shizzle, and it really wasn't too amazing. i honestly did not know if he knew if it was getting-paid-for worthy. i have several photographer friends that take really amazing photos but even they have a hard time getting paid for their stuff. now i realize that he did not want that company using his photo for other, personal reasons. i take back most of what i say in that case.

okay several things:
justin stephens vs. scene one thing
riding quality : esoteric's riding quality matched completely the wakeskate parts stephens puts out (asterisk 2 and whatnot). he has a different steeze than most filmmakers: super into making it a great FILM and that vibe, which i think is cool as hell and i wish i had the funds to make stuff THAT AMAZING. but in reality, what we were trying to showcase was QUALITY WAKESKATING FROM A NEW CROWD. that to us was number one importance. the tricks. the progression. the future. so that more than makes up for the fact that stephens has a higher budget to work with: at the same time, we didn't film our video with a freakin handy-cam. we have high quality equipment and we have made videos before (local scene stuff) so we have experience in at least the production side of things (business side was a little different story). we also made sure to put extra effort into getting good shots (water housing stuff, double angles, etc.) to give it that extra professional touch. we understand the basics of filmmaking, filmed progressive riding, and had quality equipment. those things are what makes esoteric not a suitable comparison to the picture at hand, which was shot in bad light, not anything too amazing of a trick, and not really that amazing of image quality (dont get me wrong it's not a horrible picture by any means. i can't blame people who love to shoot to just do it in every condition possible anyway, and also people who cant afford to drop a load of money on a camera for something they merely consider a hobby).

also, understand the vast differences in mediums: still vs. video. still pictures have always required more precision, uniqueness, and professionalism to be used than videos, probably due to the fact that they have always captured a "moment" rather than perhaps a crazy line or something.

also, what does 75% of our beloved city mean?

and i think you may be thinking of RLAND when you talk about what you make out to sound like "orlando pride" (that i never had even been talking about - i guess keith was Rolling Eyes

) and have never EVER talked about just wanting to make our video only known in orlando (???), you're calling me a sellout (distributing stuff to sidewayz) for something i never even claimed. thanks. esoteric isn't even really THAT orlando centered: check out the credits where we list all our locations.

not sure how to end this. so bye.

tad · 360 flip Joined: 07 May 2006 Posts: 5031

As I said once before, Esoteric is how babies are made. Regardless of quality, distribution, location... it is one of the best videos (skate,wake,snow) that I've ever seen. It's just the vibe. I know for a fact that Keith and Dave put tremendous effort into this video. And to compare it to some camera phone shot being used on a new fluke website is ridiculous. It's just disturbing to even question them to me because these guys are a huge part of the industry.

There's a big difference if no one has ever heard of you and you're good than if no one has ever heard of you and you are mediocre. I know my pictures aren't the best and I've sent them in to every wake magazine there is.. and I haven't got a single shot published. If someone asked to use one I would say yes in a heart beat. I put everything I have into getting my name into the wakeskate scene. It's my passion. This guy is taking this for granted and I said it two pages ago, he should be stoked. So what's the big deal?

I don't know if it's just the Saki and beer kicking in but it just baffles me about some of the stuff that's been going on around here. Im gonna sleep it off. LATES.