Tell me you watched this last night......

PIRATE · Kickflip Joined: 11 Jul 2006 Posts: 2651

Joe Scarborough had Jim Cramer on last night/..... Did anyone watch it ?

labellethrasher · Posted: Jan 31, 2007 5:43 pm Post subject:

BOOOO YAHHH

senorbueno · Backside 180 Joined: 28 Sep 2004 Posts: 1593

PIRATE, the mad money guy?

What happened?

PIRATE · Kickflip Joined: 11 Jul 2006 Posts: 2651

Yeah thats him...... It was just really good......

It had alot to do with how going to war with Iran will meen $100 oil and $5- Gassoline, and how if we want to get out of the middle east and if we want to stop "terror" then we need to get on ethenol (spelling?) That way were not giving these countries any of our money...... And we will have nothing to do with them anymore. Not to mention we will be boosting our own economy by leaps and bounds. Its hard for someone to attack you when your not in there country for any reason, Not to mention when there Broke......

What do you guys think about that....... Anyonw familiar with how Brazil got off Gas ?

RUSSIAN · Posted: Jan 31, 2007 7:34 pm Post subject:

It would be nice, but we are a long way from that. There are to many BILLIONS to be made by AMERICANS for us to stop using oil until there is none left. We will destroy the environment in search of oil before we ever stop using it.
As long as there is oil in the middle east you can bet the U.S. will be there. It's sad but true.
Unfortunately there are A LOT of Americans that don't care or worry about it. Hopefully when we get a new administration in '09 we might start to see change in the right direction.

wakemitch · Posted: Jan 31, 2007 10:14 pm Post subject:

i dont think ethenol is the answer. it would take so much corn to substitute all the oil we use. the us would have to dedicate a huge percent of the nations farmland for just ethenol. and plus we need oil to make other petrolium products like plastics and stuff like that.

B-Lane · Backside 180 Joined: 10 Nov 2006 Posts: 946 City: Towanda

we gots plenty of farmland in kansas for some extra corn

senorbueno · Backside 180 Joined: 28 Sep 2004 Posts: 1593

wakemitch, ethanol can be made of more than just corn, but yeah you are right. It's not the only solution, but it can definitely play a major role in the future of alternative fuels.

PIRATE, a couple of months ago I was doing a little bit of research on how other countries (namely Brazil) were approaching the alternative fuels issue. Basically, I was looking into how difficult it would be for an end user to start processing their own bio-diesel and was thinking about submitting a business plan to the city council for improvements to public transportation and waste management by reducing emissions and energy costs by converting their fuel usage to bio-diesel (which public transportation improvements is a big issue right now for OKC). I think it would be very doable, it's just that if people really want it to happen, someone's gotta step up and just do it.

Kay-Kay · Posted: Jan 31, 2007 11:55 pm Post subject:

B-Lane · Backside 180 Joined: 10 Nov 2006 Posts: 946 City: Towanda

the Government pays the farmers a certain percentage so that the farmer will grow the crop the government chooses.

mergeleft3 · Backside 180 Joined: 31 Aug 2004 Posts: 673 City: Orlando

It will happen in time, but it is going to be slow. Just think what it would cost americans to switch. We would all have to buy new cars and boats. Plus the cost to companys that make them or use oil they would have to re-tool all of there equiment. And this cost would just be passed on to us. But there are alot of companys that are working on it. The goverment gives huge taxes breaks to companys that are using and making products that use other fuels other than oil based products. So its going to take time and it can't just happen over night.

PIRATE · Kickflip Joined: 11 Jul 2006 Posts: 2651

senorbueno, DIDN'T it take brazil only like 10 years to get off Oil ? to me thats pretty overnight........

Interesting stuff though for sure.

senorbueno · Backside 180 Joined: 28 Sep 2004 Posts: 1593

PIRATE, yeah it has been pretty drastic. Something like 1/2 of all new cars in Brazil now will run mix fuel (either standard gasoline or ethanol) and 20% of all of their cars run it. Some new cars in the states will actually run on mixed fuel as well, but the availability isn't there. In Oklahoma City, I only know of one place w/in a 30 mile radius that actually sells E-85 gasoline (85% gasoline, 15% ethanol). Some economists suggest that we lift the ban currently imposed on Brazilian ethanol and import it, and us actually exporting a larger portion of our corn crops for human and animal consumption in areas such as eastern Europe and Asia.

Bush's administration has put a lot of focus in hydrogen power, and kind of ignored other alternative fuel possibilities. It's just putting all your stock and focus into some unproven technology, while their are other avenues we can explore that will make an impact today. Very high risk considering the gains in products such as biodiesel and ethanol can possibly have just as big of an impact.

mergeleft3 · Backside 180 Joined: 31 Aug 2004 Posts: 673 City: Orlando

PIRATE, and senorbueno,

As of 2006 28% of the cars in Brazil run on a ethanol mix given that there are only about 25,000,000 cars in brazil that would be a total 1,750,000 ethanol cars.

As of 2006 only 7% of the cars in the USA run on a ethanol mix now in the USA there are 132,400,000 cars so that would be about 9,268,000 ethanol cars.

I have no problem with ethanol cars and I really don't think that most people do, But I am not going to run out tomorrow and buy one or nor do I have the money to do so. Now in a few years when it becomes time to do so. I will look into it and might even pick one up. As for places that sell the ethanol mix they will come in time when there is a demand for it and money to be made. That is what is so great about this country, once people figure out that a living and a profit can be made by selling a service or a good they will jump on it.

mergeleft3 · Backside 180 Joined: 31 Aug 2004 Posts: 673 City: Orlando

and also lets not forget that the mix is 15% ethanol and 85% gas as senorbueno said. So while this will help with the amount of gas we use. We are still going to need it for the time being.

senorbueno · Backside 180 Joined: 28 Sep 2004 Posts: 1593

mergeleft3, yeah, E-85 is 15% gasoline, but look at it this way. Buying a mix fuel car isn't really that big of a deal. It's not like you are buying a hybrid vehicle with special batteries that is going to require special maintenance. A lot of people have vehicles that can accept E-85 and they don't even know it. (I think pretty much every Chevy 5.3 L V-8 since 2002 can run it). I may be mistaken but isn't the Chevy small block 350 one of the most common power plants out there?

Think about it, all those people riding around in Tahoes, Suburbans, Silveradoes, etc. could be running a cheaper fuel (over the summer our gas station that sold E-85 was running 15 cents cheaper / gallon) that maintains the overall fuel economy (in terms of miles / gallon) and reduces emissions.

I don't have an ethanol vehicle either, and I'm not asking you to buy one. A lot of people don't even know it's an option and it's up to the car companies to start getting them out there. It's up to the oil companies to provide the gas stations that sell E-85 and money to improve research, and it's just not getting done. They need to further explore the options in front of them and not leave them so much on the back burner.

If NYC can completely ban restaurants from serving transitive fats b/c it makes kids who eat a sh*t ton of junk food fat, why can't automakers be forced to provide flex fuel vehicles or oil companies be forced to provide more outlets for ethanol? It's not something that is going to add to production costs too much to automakers, and like you said E-85 still is 85% gasoline, so the oil companies are still going to get their dough. Maybe they won't be setting all time records for profit margins like they have by ripping off the consumers for the past 3 or 4 years in a row, but they won't be hurting. And until fuel cells & hydrogen are a viable option, maybe it can help some of the struggling car companies (esp. the big names Ford and GM.)

mergeleft3 · Backside 180 Joined: 31 Aug 2004 Posts: 673 City: Orlando

I do agree, I would love to see that happen. And I think it will happen. Trust me I drive an F250 so I would love to pay less for gas. But I don't really think it is the goverments responsability to force it just like I disagree with banning restaurants from seving trans fats. The goverment should always stay out of the privte sector. That was not the intent of the goverment. That is all I am saying. But what does bother me is the tax that is put on gas. I know here in Florida the tax gas
.35 to .45 cents per gal. And we are one of the cheeper states. Plus they tax the oil when it comes into the oil. So another way to lower the cost of gas is to cut the taxes.

senorbueno · Backside 180 Joined: 28 Sep 2004 Posts: 1593

B-Lane · Backside 180 Joined: 10 Nov 2006 Posts: 946 City: Towanda

a 5.3 is a 327, a 350 is a 5.7 liter, just to clarify, oh and the 350 is one of the most popular powerplants and all of chevyrolet's motors will run on E85 be it a 2.2 liter 4cyl or a 6.6 liter V8. Cool

skatefilly · Posted: Feb 01, 2007 11:42 pm Post subject:

Just wanted to give a big ollll booooooo yaaaaaaaa from Wisconsin. I love you Jim.