bi-curious? devotid UNION 41

[McLOVIN]

i dunno is the bottom deck of the bis also asymetrical?

[dietwater5]

i think so? its a cassette flat so if the flats are sym then yeah?

[McLOVIN]

well it says on the cassette site that the flats are not asymetrical so...
whats the point for a asymetrical deck??

[dietwater5]

uhhh well maybe the bis bottom deck is asym and thats all? special made, whatev

[mario c.]

he can shape them to fit any bottom deck you want. you could buy the old cassette flat decks off e-bay, and buy the top deck and hardware to make it work. i have a 40' flat cassette blank i'm gonna have him do. of course you will have to give him the dimensions of the bottom deck.

[dietwater5]

sweet
thanks

[McLOVIN]

mario c., do u happen to no wen he will start sellin them??

[mario c.]

i've never understood the point of assymetrical. i'm sure someone on here will correct me. i rode the tech 42, and my back foot was to the very edges. i don't like that on wake to wake. i'm sure there is a purpose though. maybe to look more like a skateboard? i do like the flat deck though, and that's assymetrical. really can't tell the difference cuz that deck is wider.

[mario c.]

i thought he said either tonight on e-bay, or tomorrow. he might of meant the completes. kevin is a workhorse, and his shop is right at home. it's crazy the amount of production flying out of there.

[McLOVIN]

awesome i gotta pick up a few of those top decks

[devotid]

to answer some questions
yes, we will be selling just top decks as a conversion kit for bi style boards. it comes with a top deck or bottom deck(your choice) and a hardware package containing everything you need to rebuild. As far as us making a top deck that bolts right on. i dunno yet about that. we would rather see you using our trucks to eliminate further probs. the trucks and hardware only go for about 25.00 bucks. the conversions will be around 160.00 total so its not much more to do a full conversion. The beauty of the conv kit is that if you just have a old flat deck in decent condition from ANY company around 41-43" you can upgrade to a Union style board for half the money. and if you leave the gip tape on the bottom you now have two decks still . yeeeeeeaaaaahh

Theres a little info on the site but we honestly have to get a bilevels dimensions before we make the final say. Maybe i can post a exact size of our decks in .PDF and then go to kinkos print out for a couple bucks full size. then you would know.
as far as beening an exact shape as the bottom deck you have, i dont really have an exact answer because i have never owned a cassette bilevel. we built these skates completely from scratch to our own preference.
As mario said we spent the last two years tooling a full production shop here at my house so we can go from idea to production in a matter of a couple hours. not months.


and about assemmetrical (sp?) decks i think they track and edge better because the tail is narrower and sinks a little deeper. it kind of makes it stand up and drags the back end a little. If you can imagine the edgeline of a Asym board sitting in a riding position, the tail being narrower sinks in more which makes for more preasure on the back of the boards edges(or your back foot). which in turn gives you more control. think about it like this. a square lunch tray board gives you pretty much the same feel whether or not your back foot is all the way back(only leverage changes not the "stuck feeling"). But on a Asym board if you move your back foot foward or back it gives you a way different feel because when more or less of the board is in the water the edge changes shape. unlike a sqayre style board. i dunno just my 2 cents

wow that was WAY to much typing sorry i talk alot. this is the stuff i think about any time I'm breathing.

[search button]

What do I have to learn to do? Operate the CNC machine? Just give me a sharp chisel and cut me loose.

[TannerC]

so your top deck will mount to any bottom deck?

[mikeskatesonwater]

well to be fair I think the obrien traffic is a ripp off too....but really that bi looks identical in every aspect to horrels invention I think he makes cassette.....listen if i made a tri level and someone copied my design I be mad thats all im saying....the end

[Slapdown]

mikeskatesonwater, Well imo thinking like that is one step closer to being a large corporation. If Hype or LF came up with the bi-level concept, i'm sure it would be patented and no other company would have them. I would rather come up with something and see how it could be improved, through other companies as well as the originator. Overall i think thomas is more concerned with the growth of wakeskating rather than his own benefit.

[surfpunk]

if there is no patent, then it is fair game, period. thats how the real world works, and cassette has absolutely NO ONE to be pissed off at but themselves. if they are pissed then theyre selfish and care nothing about the sport or the people in the sport by coming up with an idea and not wanting anyone to use it when they decide to quit making skates. pretty retarded buisness plan if you ask me (not calling them retarded, unless they are infact pissed that people are building off thier idea). the reason why we have 90% of the stuff we have is because people use other peoples ideas and build off them and theres nothing wrong with that. if devotid got a cassette and started copied them exactly, then yes that would be lame, however they didnt. there are only so many ways to make a bi-level. cassette should be proud if anything, not only for coming up with an idea, but not patenting it and letting other companys build off of it to further evolve to sport.

oh yeah and how dare devotid make a board that the market is requesting. HOW DARE THEM!! what a joke.

[Slapdown]

surfpunk, we pretty much made the same point at the same time

[McLOVIN]

Slapdown, surfpunk, well said

[Phonetic's]

sick! does it ride like the casette bi-level? or is it feel different?

[SamHill]

I think it is great that other companies are trying/making bi-levels. True, Cassette is the original, but by other companies doing this, it will push Thomas to make his better, or better yet a newer cooler better skate. Its all pushes progression.
Pete