484 Wakeskates

holmes · Faceplant Joined: 17 Sep 2003 Posts: 25 City: Nisswa

None of you guys know what is really going on in the wake industry. Who was actually at Surf Expo looking at the new products that anyone had?

So anyone that has a wood machined skate is using cassettes idea, I don't thinkg so. Go out and look in a skate shop at skate decks. Tell me the differance you find in the boards. Length and width is about it. If you go to San Marco California and step into a skateboard manufacture you'll all see that the skate industry has a several companys that use the same press, same mold, the same shape and even the same colors of wood. The only differance is the heat transfer on the bottom. So now tell me that the sakeboard industry has survived for 30 years on ripping each other off. Its all legit. Your all bitter that 484 has the last years cassette shape. Well so do a few other companys. Cassette has there own new shape, Kampus has there new shape Mutiny has there new wood shape.

Grow up and actually research what is out there before you say the whole wakeskate industry is a rip of!

Cassette is Alive and well and 484 is doing something new for 04 so just wait until you ride it so you can see for your self and not just hear about it.

Later
Holmes

cassette51 · Frontside 180 Joined: 14 Sep 2003 Posts: 334 City: Plano

well put holmes. people just need to stop bitching about stuff unless they have the facts....f*ckin punks

Todd · Posted: Sep 19, 2003 12:24 pm Post subject:

I have the facts, I have talked to Horrell about all of it @ the Pro tuor stop and was well inlightened about what 484 and LF did.

holmes · Faceplant Joined: 17 Sep 2003 Posts: 25 City: Nisswa

Todd,

Great that you talked to Thomas but the funny thing is you didn't spell his name right it's Horrell.

Lf is the one that screwed everyone. Mastercore the board manufacturer is the one that sold the boards to whoever wanted to buy them so they(the company who owned the boards) could make there invested $$'s back.

BLAME LF. It helps to have deep pockets in this industry.

wcwakeskater · Posted: Sep 19, 2003 3:19 pm Post subject:

LF sucks for doing that LF Smash

DockSecret · Ollie Joined: 14 Sep 2003 Posts: 75 City: Austin

So you're going to completely ignore the guy for a couple of typoes? Oh, and great, it's not obvious that you are trying to get the heat off of 484 and onto another company. I still see no reasoning for a company selling a product as their own that they had no hand in designing.

greg van wagnen · Posted: Sep 19, 2003 5:11 pm Post subject:

i dont c y u guys r all about the hole 484 being the same design as cassette, y dont u just go ride ur cassettes n everyone that likes there 484s will go ride theres n well all have a good time n not beach about stupid shizzle, i got shizzle from people for having worthless posts but this hole 484 bulljive is the most worthless thing going on on this site, drop it its done who really cares just go ride

Schmaltz · Backside 180 Joined: 16 Sep 2003 Posts: 721 City: San Jose

Holmes...
your wrong, skateboards are different... some are made in China with wood from china and some are Made domestic with better wood (different glue/hot press/cold press)... i'ts a huge difference, the china wood is soft and the deck life is short. some manufactures are mixing domestic wood with china crap (the long and short of it : china wood is screwing up the industry cause it's garbage and kids are getting ripped off paying the same money for junk wood and break their decks 10x faster)... i work in one of the largest skate factories in U.S.A. and i see and hear the difference everyday. if you actually skate you can feel and see the difference...

when people don't care where their products are made from they slowly undermind our country and our feauture... have some pride in where you spend your money...
so go ahead and support What you want, just don't be an ignorant lemming about it...

kyleG · Faceplant Joined: 17 Sep 2003 Posts: 18

i just wanna say that was AWWWWWWWWWSOME ahahahahhahahaha.

SCBrips · Posted: Sep 19, 2003 8:29 pm Post subject:

holmes, what's up with your logic? LF should be blamed for copying Cassette designs but not 484?

You know the reason why there seems to be a good number of people defending 484 on this board? It's because they're a bunch of poons getting free boards from them. These people are SELL-OUTS. Or maybe they aren't. Don't you have to possess standards and morals beforehand and then discard them to be a sell-out? Hmmm...

Oh yeah, glad everyone liked the Rhizzyme.

RUSSIAN · Posted: Sep 19, 2003 8:34 pm Post subject:

"just don't be an ignorant lemming about it..."
well said Schmaltz Laughing

484rider · Frontside 180 Joined: 14 Sep 2003 Posts: 442 City: orlando

im with greg on this...just go ride watever u like, and have a super sick time with it! Exclamation

Josh · Posted: Sep 19, 2003 10:33 pm Post subject:

Hmmm... I wonder if China foam is as bad as china wood. If so, HL is in trouble... Twisted Evil

Oh wait, they have been for a long time.

LF did f*ck cassette over, but that doesn't mean I'm going to give any respect to 484. I see (slightly) more reason the LF and Cassettes are the same. Joint companies splitting halfway through a season. It's gay that LF is using cassette's designs, but there is more justification to it than 484 just being lazy and after money. And yes, LF did a really sh*tty thing to Thomas, and I'm not taking away from that at all. It just shows how low I really hold 484.

And this is not stupid crap we're talking about either. It directly pertains to the wakeskating industry and effects all the people who ride. I don't wanna see crap like this happening again, and it pisses me off to no end.

Simply put, the sh*t that 484 is trying to pull isn't cool and I'm pissed off. That people can be payed off with free product to totally disregard all this makes it worse.

greg van wagnen · Posted: Sep 20, 2003 12:41 am Post subject:

sorry ur pissed but i dont really c y, its just a sport that were all doing to have fun, no 1s directly attacking u, i got a hole lil thread devoted 2 how big of a dusche i am so dont u think i should b the 1 pissed off, i was at 1st but then i thought about it n realised its not people in my real life that dont like me its a bunch of people that dont even know me on the internet, also theres a song in here about how much the 484 team riders suck so dont worrie so much about the wakeskating companys or atleast dont worrie so much that its pissing u off, wakeskatings just about havin fun, i dont c ne point 2 it other then that

Jeremy Coe · Faceplant Joined: 14 Sep 2003 Posts: 37 City: Auckland

Yeah but the problem Greg is that when a company like Cassette goes out on a limb and invests a lot of money in unchartered waters by developing their wakeskates over a period of a few years and then a company comes along and just decides to use their designs, that to me is pretty average. It also harms the industry. I sure don't want Cassette to go the same way as waketech did in 98. I know the situation is slightly different but the wakeboarding industry is fairly fragile, let alone the wakeskate industry where the consumer base is (for now) even smaller.

The choice is this, and Greg I want you to answer this honestly...as though you werent getting free boards...If there are identical Cassette ,LF, and 484 wakeskates on a rack, which would you buy and why?? My PERSONAL view is that there is not a single reason to buy a 484 or an LF...maybe you can inform me and the general consumer as to why they should?

Of course everyone should have a "just have fun and go ride" attitude, but I think Cassette have done a sheiteload for wakeskating, and have also been ripped off to quite a large extent. Of course people are going to be protective of a company that singlehandedly brought about a wakeskate culture (Yes I know about MEsser and FWT but you know what I am referring to), because it is natural for people to want that company there for many years to come. Common sense really. Idea

RUSSIAN · Posted: Sep 20, 2003 3:00 am Post subject:

Jeremy Coe, very well put. 484 has done NOTHING for this small industry. They can't even come up with their own ideas Evil or Very Mad

here is a small example. company A decides to produce a board that is far different then anything else. The owner of that company needs help in the distribution area. With the help of a well established board company(company B), company A becomes the biggest board(skate) company around. then the money train decides to back out and company A is left on it's own. Company A & B both have vested interest in the "concave" shape. All of the sudden you have a brand new company that comes along. they bought the molds while both A & B were down, and instead of being original, they realesed the same exact shape. so for 03 we have 3 company's with same exact shape Evil or Very Mad

greg van wagnen · Posted: Sep 20, 2003 9:01 am Post subject:

Jeremy Coe, if i were 2 buy 1 n there all the same id buy the 1 w/ the highest quality, which is 484 from what i heard, im not sayin this 2 b an ass but i heard that they use a different better glue so that the decks dont delamanate so quick or something like that, and it makes it a little heavier, then id go with the cheapest 1 probably as long as it was the same quality, then id go with the 1 that looked the coolest, that is honestly how id pick a deck if some1 wernt to give me 1, but look where im comming from for why i like 484, i rode a 484 every time i rode except the 1st few times i rode and a few times when i moved down here, me n chase used 2 ride 2gether all time time n we had 1 sk8 4 the both of us, we had a core sk8 but i broke it so he started riding for 484 so we could keep riding (that was his choice he already rode 4 core and i rode for cwn but we didnt want to ride those sk8s) and then when i moved to florida chase hooked me up with them also, so if it wernt for 484 i dont c either of us being where we are right now becuase either we would have just went back to wakeboarding, or i would have to just quit becuase i dont have enough $ to go but a deck that im gana have 2 buy a new 1 in a few months, if some1 didnt give me a board i dont c me being able 2 ride becuase i cant really buy nething right now, iv rode a cassette before and i didnt like it, it had nothing to do with who made it or anything, its just a different ride in my opinion, i fell on tricks that i never fall on and i rode it for a few days so it wasnt like i jumped in the water rode 4 2 min n said this sucks i actualy rode it 4 like 3 days i think and when i got my 484 in i rode that n i just like it more, and i was in the wakeboard industry for a long time and i know of things that happen in there far worse then this, this was a legit buisness deal not str8 stealing an idea, also i like how u put that, all these other guys come off as like pissed off, i dont think ne of us have a reason to b mad but some of the guys on here just rnt nice about it at all, sorry 4 no periods for whoever got mad last time i posted somethin long w/ no periods n 1 more thing i do have the just have fun n go ride atitude, and i dont know abougt the messer and fwt that ur referring to

484rider · Frontside 180 Joined: 14 Sep 2003 Posts: 442 City: orlando

greg van wagnen, nice Rolling Eyes

Josh · Posted: Sep 20, 2003 9:50 am Post subject:

Jesus christ, I know we've spoken about this before, but put some f**king periods in your posts. It's not that hard, and you obviously realise it too. And no, commas do not count as full stops. You just created a 511 word monster.

484rider · Frontside 180 Joined: 14 Sep 2003 Posts: 442 City: orlando

Josh, were did u get that smiliey guy bashin on the wall?