Word on LF wud

trickdeck03 · Faceplant Joined: 29 Nov 2003 Posts: 4

i was thinking about getting a liquid force wud grip 40 ... im just getting into wakesk8ing .... i wakeboard already so i just want somethin different ...

tribal · Posted: Nov 29, 2003 11:34 pm Post subject:

Read this before buying LF http://www.subvertwakeskatemagazine.com/index.php/articles/0311190027

Parky · Guest

ya the wud is a good skate for learing

Brian Hogan · Faceplant Joined: 14 Sep 2003 Posts: 38 City: Ottawa

i have heard enough about liquid force and 484 skates being crap. You know what who cares which kind of board you ride. All that matters is that you are taking an interest in wakeskating which is driving the sport. In Canada there is slim pickins when it comes to boards. I dont care if riding hyperlite boards makes me an idiot. I am enjoying skating and theres all there is to it. one minute people will say "ya skate in dc shoes it doesn't matter what shoes you where " but then someone will say you are gay for not riding cassettes and not supporting the industry. chickity china the chinese chicken that I think anyone who wants to skate should do so with any company they choose. skating is about kaving fun

Parky · Guest

im so happy u just said that! that made my day Brian Hogan, im glad u think the same as i do Shocked

tribal · Posted: Nov 30, 2003 12:07 pm Post subject:

I live in canada too and all I'm saying is you have a choice.You're on the internet now you know how to use it there's lot's of places out there that ship to can.When I first wanted to try wakeskating a couple years ago I picked up a CWB lucky for $100Cad at the local shop.I had never seen or tried a skate before so it was all the same to me.Well as I progressed I decided it was a time for a new one.This time I was educated had done my research and picked up a flat cassette on e-bay for around the same $.If you want to buy hyperlite go ahead not my pers fav but at least they're not copying anybody.I'm not hating on LF either I love my exo's but they're not a copy from someone else.All I'm saying is if you have a choice put your money towards someone who's putting it back in the sport.If you really want to see the dirt on this issue check this out http://www.wakeskate.com/Forums/Forums.asp?g=4&id=4936 and this http://www.wakeskate.com/Forums/Forums.asp?g=4&id=4830

Yuri · Raley Joined: 14 Sep 2003 Posts: 1977 City: orlando

yeah a lot of people these days talk a lot of shizzle about which skate u ride!! i ride an Hyperlite The Gate and i love it!! i dont care if people say its an mini wakeboard feel but i love it and dont give a shizzle what other people say!!!

Brian Hogan · Faceplant Joined: 14 Sep 2003 Posts: 38 City: Ottawa

I totally understand everybody defending cassette cause they are the originators and everything. the thing i don't understand is how everyone has time to be political. There are enough hardcore suporters out there of cassette to keep the company afloat so really I don't think it matters. If anythign is going to send the sport towards wakeboarding it would be being so political and nto focusing on progressing and having fun.

Dave Barousse · Faceplant Joined: 10 Sep 2003 Posts: 5

Mumble · Faceplant Joined: 12 Oct 2003 Posts: 27

Parky · Guest

its got to do with some ppl trying flips and stuff i think

nick · Posted: Nov 30, 2003 4:40 pm Post subject:

thatd be a nice transition

Brian Hogan · Faceplant Joined: 14 Sep 2003 Posts: 38 City: Ottawa

I have nothing against wakeboarding at all I just didn't do as much this summer cause I got into skating more. I just always see people say that it will turn into wakeboarding meaning it will become popular and not the "core" thing to do anymore which is crap cause more exposure would be awesome

nick · Posted: Nov 30, 2003 6:21 pm Post subject:

its a two faced proposition, there are pros and cons about having alot of publicity

BillJ · Pop Shuvit Joined: 25 Sep 2003 Posts: 144

Josh's article is pretentious at best. You don't create a lifestyle around a sport, the lifestyle develops on it's own based on the people in the sport. He's horrified that you can buy 3 different brands of a board and they all look the same? How many skateboard decks are identical? The flat Cassette isn't exactly revolutionary now is it? And all this talk about who screwed who is getting old since most if not all of the information on these boards is wrong and is posted by people that have never met anyone involved.

I'll be surprised if just one of the existing wakeskate brands is still around in 3 or 4 years, other than LF and HL (because of their wakeboard sales and money behind them, not because of their wakeskates). There just isn't much money to be made selling boards that retail for $200. At least with wakeboarding you can sell $400 boards and $300 bindings. And if wakeskating gets huge, then the existing skateboard manufacturers will start producing boards too. Face it, making a simple wakeskate design out of wood isn't much work for a company that's already making skate decks.

And finally, this is a sport not life and death. Some of you guys take it way too seriously.

electricsnow · cassette Joined: 14 Sep 2003 Posts: 10752 City: Jefferton

Actually, the cassette flat deck is quite revolutionary. Think back to what there was to choose from before it came out: one choice was a 131-137 foam covered wakeboard with centered foot pads, another was a styrofoam type deal with, yes, centered foot pads (I dont' remember the length) and lastly, an actual wakeskate that was about 121 cm with..what? centered foot pads. Or if you want to go back to byerly's wakeskate, he had a flight 69 with centered footpads.

Just as a little factoid, I read an old mag where byerly said he saw Matt Maloy do a shoveit before he did. I think that's cool. Anyway...

It may seem simple and obvious now, but the wooden flat deck finally gave people something that was length appropriate for this activity we all love, and it finally allowed you to move your feet around where ever you pleased.

It's hard to say what the lifespan of wakeskate only companies will be--I know mutiny wants to make wakeboards again and cassette has a number of accessory lines that will continue to breathe life and revenue into their program.

Also, making a skate deck is not the same as making a wakeskate. I know for a fact it is super expensive to mill out a concave wakeskate. I believe skate decks are simply pressed into their desired shape. I just don't think it's quite as simple as you're making it, but who knows. A skate company made the first cassette flats...but if flats aren't that revolutionary, who's going to want to stick with that archaic technology?

Nobody said anyone had to ride a cassette--they're just an obvious example for argument's sake. Also, I don't think any person said any one brand is cooler than the next (although some may think otherwise). But in my opinion, there are companies out there that are worth supporting, and there are some that aren's. I don't see why it's a big deal to be an informed customer and know what you're supporting, but whatever.

And you know what? I think it's a great idea to focus on progression--just don't forget to tell LF and 484.

heywood · Pop Shuvit Joined: 14 Sep 2003 Posts: 144 City: hollywood

i think lf needs a little break here. now i know they basically released cassettes, but they did go through their troubles in the beginning of the season, and at least they were involved in making those boards.it may bad that they released these boards but they are a company, and they also have loyal customers who will buy it. but the main issue is that one reason i think they put these boards out is to show that thats the direction theyre goin with their designs next year. and next year, they will have some of their own, new designs which they have been working onwhile their 'copied' skates have been out. so hopefully they wont get such a bad rap when their new line comes out, but until then i guess its understandable if they do.

Josh · Posted: Dec 01, 2003 5:03 am Post subject:

But thats, the thing... I don't have any major problem with them using Cassette designs for the last half of the 03 season. They had some problems, they have helped Cassette in the past and apparently had a small amout of input in the designs. It's NOT cool but it's a business reality that they would use the same designs after the two went their seperate ways.
But they are using those very same designs for the 2004 season. They even promised we'd see revolutions and new stuff for 04. And all it is is straight up ripoffs of Cassettes 03 stock. NO effort. NO progression. NO respect from me.

Bill, I'm horrified that I can go down the shop and buy 3 brands of skates that ARE THE SAME. I even said, the only major difference is how they look. And it's great that only one company really developed them. I didn't want to get too far into the behind the scenes happenings, as there wasn't enough real info floating around. I only said what I'd heard from Thomas and a select few others. Oh yes, I pointed that out too.

I do take it seriously, wakeskating and wakeboarding are an important part of my life.

But anyway, I'm glad people don't like what I said in that piece, I wouldn't have been happy if it hadn't.

heywood · Pop Shuvit Joined: 14 Sep 2003 Posts: 144 City: hollywood

i agree josh but the 04 boards are what came out the last half of the 03 season. this year theyre going to release them midseason again.

trickdeck03 · Faceplant Joined: 29 Nov 2003 Posts: 4

well i was also looking at the cassette flat deck 40

so how is that board or are they about the same