why wood with the bi-level......

wakefield · Faceplant Joined: 03 Apr 2004 Posts: 34

am i the only one who thinks wood as the top board on the bi-level is rediculos? seems like cassette could use some different materials for the top deck so it wouldn't break. i know products get better with time but i really don't see wood being the best material for the top deck. any one think the same? what type of material do you think would work better than wood.

Friedhouse · Pop Shuvit Joined: 12 Jun 2005 Posts: 189 City: Las Vegas

i wonder if aluminum would work....or maybe a layer of graphite in between to layers of tin or steel. hmm something need to be done to make skates last longer.

cum2me · Ollie Joined: 16 Jan 2005 Posts: 57

do you know why thomas named it cassette? i believe its because the simplicity of a cassette tape in a technologically complex music industry parallels the simplicity of a peice of wood (one simple flat deck when cassette was started) in an industry of advancing wake technology.

now, some might say that the bilevel design strays from that a bit, but bare in mind it is not some composite deck with cut ins and channels and all that other stuff i see on the wakeboard (and sometimes wakeskate) racks. its still just wood, one flat, one concave.

and it is not the design or the use of wood that caused the decks to break, it was the lamination distribution.

edit: oh, i forgot..in addition i also think the 'feel' of wood has a lot to do with their choosing and sticking with it.

wakefield · Faceplant Joined: 03 Apr 2004 Posts: 34

kento911 · Kickflip Joined: 29 Mar 2004 Posts: 3657 City: Phoenix

wakefield, on the delamming bilevs I have seen its both decks, and the reason is cassette has taken the position that they feel the tradeoff of durability is worthe the feel of wood, so basically somebody will make a better bilev maybe cassette maybe not, but if someone else does they will steal a healthy portion of Thomas' market share

Nekkie · Posted: Jun 18, 2005 1:04 am Post subject:

jboss · Kickflip Joined: 22 Jun 2004 Posts: 3210 City: Chalmette

wood bilevel = $280, composite bilevel = $HOLY FVCKING SHlT!!!!!!!!!!!

Nekkie · Posted: Jun 18, 2005 1:15 am Post subject:

yeah, but I don't see ANY bilevel, being first batch second or 10000th lasting more than a season... so $280X2 ...

and I bet it wouldn't be $600 either for a compo bi

kento911 · Kickflip Joined: 29 Mar 2004 Posts: 3657 City: Phoenix

jboss, retail isnt manufacturing cost, umm so yeah factor that in, plus composite doesnt actually cost that much more to make

jboss · Kickflip Joined: 22 Jun 2004 Posts: 3210 City: Chalmette

every composite i saw is at least in the 200's, just look at hyperlite and lf's lineup. well if it doesnt cost much more they should definately do it. no delaming or breaking, both of their problems solved.

RUSSIAN · Posted: Jun 18, 2005 1:51 am Post subject:

BillyOLDS · Posted: Jun 18, 2005 6:49 am Post subject:

kento911, wooa there killer

anywhoo, snow skates have a flexible bottom deck and its composite of some sort
but i know it cant be that easy caus ehyp tried a bilev and it effing sucked according to byerely. i saw it at a glance in byrelys garage. maybe he just said it sucked and they are secretely gna put one out but yeah that was still almost a year ago when cassette was releaseing stuff about theres so im guessing hyp is having troubles on the issue and building a good composite bi-lev is a daunting task

SleuCrew · Posted: Jun 18, 2005 8:05 am Post subject:

Im keeping myself from commenting on this because i dont like to talk trash...

But this has just gotten totally out of hand, building a solid well functioning bi-level is not that hard, in fact it was quite simple... I know i built one. Im not going to make a list of all the things wrong with the current bi-levels, some people love the idea and some dont... I personally dont think that the bi-level is the direction wakeskating is headed but i could be totally wrong. I just think its very retarded that some people think that this is the best thing sense sliced bread, but to each is their own.

Im sure i will get asked this 1000 more times, "why is Omen not building a bi-level then?"

Because for the sheer fact that being a new company im not going to get called out by everybody and their brother for being a biter from Cassette... Even though i have been involved sense day one when the snowskate was first invented its not the reputation i want, and yes Andy and i developed our bi-level wakeskate long before we knew anything about Cassettes.

Although i will say that Hype is not the only other company out there trying to capitalize from Cassettes misfortune with their bi's this year... But Omen will not be one of them. If i really felt the demand was there i might consider it down the road.

Just my two cents, and sorry if i have offended anyone from this, and in no way am i trying to bash Cassette.

Vance Collins · Guest

One of the main reasons I love my Integrity is because it says "Made In America" right in the middle of the skate.

You guys just wait until 2007 when Integrity releases the Collins 41 bi-Integrity. Wink

cum2me · Ollie Joined: 16 Jan 2005 Posts: 57

wakefield, you f.uckface, you asked why they are using wood for the top, and i told you what i thought, that it was due to the simplistic nature of cassette, that started with its name, as well as the feel of wood.

Nekkie, the pop/edging/flex/etc., all has to do with the feel of the board. ive ridden a sanded down integrity, and i like the 'feel' of my waterlogged 4trac.

NoPidy · Backside 180 Joined: 21 Apr 2005 Posts: 534 City: Glenwood

Vance Collins · Guest

Ignored.

Jonesie · Backside 180 Joined: 31 Jan 2005 Posts: 811

Vance Collins · Guest

1. I'm not your friend.

2. It's not a board.

Jonesie · Backside 180 Joined: 31 Jan 2005 Posts: 811

lol i wasn't talk about you....i was agreeing with you, then letting NoPidy know that the bi-level is still a wakeskate