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PostPosted: Jul 18, 2015 10:41 pm    Post subject: Geoengineering.....fact or fiction? Reply with quote

What do you think?

Is the military spraying aluminum in the sky and modifying the weather?

These videos are pretty interesting

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DPnWaBsMYnY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHm0XhtDyZA

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PostPosted: Jul 18, 2015 11:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think the people who think this is a giant conspiracy know nothing about physics. I work as a flight test engineer for developmental aircraft. I see con trails every single day at my job. We are not adding anything to the atmosphere besides exhaust. I can say with 100% certainty say the lines you see in the sky are just condensation.

Believe what you want, maybe I'm just a government shill Rolling Eyes

I would agree the weather is being changed by CO2 emissions however... it's not an intended consequence of the US Military.
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PostPosted: Jul 19, 2015 1:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gnarly Dancer - You might consider checking some sources before diving head first into random conspiracy videos like these.

https://www.metabunk.org/kristen-meghan-former-us-air-force-whistle-blower.t1066/ <-Megan (girl from the second video link posted) starts posting near the bottom of page one, and she doesn't really prove much.

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PostPosted: Jul 22, 2015 6:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gnarly Dancer 42, unfortunately it's not only military! Regular machines are hooked up with these systems as well. I've been finding out more and more conspiracy facts (I've been heavily looking into this and various other subjects for almost 2 years now and it's plainly sickening). When I was in my teens, in the 90s, planes had regular contrails still (talking about the sky in Germany). Nowadays there are so many chemtrails on some days you could play tic tac toe in the sky.
One documentary that scientifically proves this can be found on youtube:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jf0khstYDLA

Everybody judge for themselves!
There's way more happening out there than the sheeple could even imagine.

How and when did you got curious about this subject? Anything else that you are looking to find answers to?
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PostPosted: Jul 22, 2015 11:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

scott a, what do you have to say about the video of all those scientists talking about the samples they've collected in the public meeting?

bachlonso, I got curious about this a couple years ago also, because I would see them spraying above my house. It kind of makes me angry when a sunny day becomes a hazy cloudy day.

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PostPosted: Jul 23, 2015 2:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sigh.

So to back up a bit, the idea of geoengineering is in fact a thing. From Wiki: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climate_engineering
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Several organizations have investigated geoengineering with a view to evaluating its potential, including the US Congress,[20] NASA,[21] the Royal Society,[22] and the UK Parliament.[23] The Asilomar International Conference on Climate Intervention Technologies was convened to identify and develop risk reduction guidelines for climate intervention experimentation.[24]

Important difference here. Geoenginnering would be the science of it all (does this work, how does X amount of particles in the atmosphere affect the climate, etc), and chemtrails would be how you go about practicing/executing it. One of these is real, and the other is still totally the stuff of conspiracy. The two are not the same.

Gnarly Dancer 42, do yourself a favor and watch the full thing if you're really into this stuff: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4WhYKP83zo

I watched the first guy's presentation in full, but no more. My thoughts:

-Why is this being presented at Shasta County?
-Of course it's a packed audience. They all showed up to listen to the same handful of people say the same stuff that they've already read about on GeoengineeringWatch.org. Or...they all traveled together in the same circus from presentation to presentation.
-NASA has patents for geoengineering. This only means that they've spent time and money researching geoengineering and their protecting their investment by logging ideas that they've come up with. Apple also has patents for pretty outlandish stuff that they never acted upon.
-NOAA..."admitting on the record that the atmosphere is full of particulates and they don't know where they're coming from." Here's some text from the NOAA article pictured in the guy's presentation: http://www.noaanews.noaa.gov/stories2011/20110721_particles.html
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The new study focused on the most recent decade, when the amount of aerosol in the stratosphere has been in something of a “background” state, lacking sharp upward spikes from very large volcanic eruptions. The authors analyzed measurements from several independent sources – satellites and several types of ground instruments – and found a definitive increase in stratospheric aerosol since 2000.

“Stratospheric aerosol increased surprisingly rapidly in that time, almost doubling during the decade,” Daniel said. “The increase in aerosols since 2000 implies a cooling effect of about 0.1 watts per square meter – enough to offset some of the 0.28 watts per square meter warmingeffect from the carbon dioxide increase during that same period.”

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The reasons for the 10-year increase in stratospheric aerosols are not fully understood and are the subject of ongoing research, says coauthor Ryan Neely, with the University of Colorado and the Cooperative Institute for Research in Environmental Sciences (CIRES). Likely suspects are natural sources – smaller volcanic eruptions – and/or human activities, which could have emitted the sulfur-containing gases, such as sulfur dioxide, that react in the atmosphere to form reflective aerosol particles

Hm. China rose in power from 2000 to 2010. China also burns a lot of coal. Burning coal releases sulfur dioxide into the atmosphere. I wonder if...yep. China's coal production doubled from 2000 to 2010. Seems like a much more plausible explanation for the increase in aerosols than chemtrails (which have been "occuring" for decades already amirite?) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coal_in_China


And...I'm going to stop watching now. Sorry. This guy's speech is typical conspiracy stuff. Too many vague statements and anecdotes, and not enough substance. And he lost me when he totally twisted up that NOAA study above.

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PostPosted: Jul 23, 2015 8:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

shizzle man this is Loose Change all over again. Stop believing every YouTube conspiracy video you watch. Smdh
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PostPosted: Jul 23, 2015 8:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

scott a, if you've got some time on hand I would ask you to watch the video of the link I've provided. I can no longer accept Wikipedia as a credible source for information as I've seen it being proven inaccurate or even plainly deceiving a couple of times.
And I guess we're talking about the Chemtrails themselves and not the concentration of CO2 in our atmosphere. So China does not play a part in this equation if my logic shouldn't have failed me.
BTW: how do you explain the lines in the sky that stay there for hours on end and slowly spread out - the analogy of the one guy at that conference (walking in the winter for 2 km) put's it spot on into an physical perspective. The condensed water from regular Contrails does not attract more water and further forms clouds. Just not possible.
I'm just sad that you react via "sigh". It usually helps keeping an open mind and considering things. Especially in this context as the Chemtrails tie into a lot of other things.

Gnarly Dancer 42, if you're ready to dive into that rabit hole then here's some major food for thought:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oqGEz9IqOrE

2.5 hrs long but surly evaporated my socks!
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PostPosted: Jul 23, 2015 11:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

bachlonso wrote:
scott a, if you've got some time on hand I would ask you to watch the video of the link I've provided. I can no longer accept Wikipedia as a credible source for information as I've seen it being proven inaccurate or even plainly deceiving a couple of times.
Wikipedia is only as accurate as people make it, but as a general statement it's a darn good place to start researching since there's citations for so many of the statements that are made. But given your taste for science fiction I'm sure our opinions will always differ here.

bachlonso wrote:
And I guess we're talking about the Chemtrails themselves and not the concentration of CO2 in our atmosphere. So China does not play a part in this equation if my logic shouldn't have failed me.
The NOAA study (discussed below) only measured the ambient atmospheric particulates. I threw out China and their coal burning as a possible contributing factor. The speaker in the video deceptively twisted up the story and said this about the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration:
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"admitting on the record that the atmosphere is full of particulates and they don't know where they're coming from."
Given the context of the speech at this point, he's essentially saying "Yeah, see? There's mystery stuff up there and nobody can explain why...so why not chemtrails?" Problem is the scope of the study was only to determine the precise amount of particulates that existed. That was somehow twisted in to "full of particulates" and then the speaker moved on to the next "data source" hoping that nobody would go back and check.

The NOAA study was never intended to address your supposed chemtrails, and absolutely shouldn't be used to support the existence of such a thing.

Nice try.

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