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PostPosted: Jul 12, 2013 5:21 pm    Post subject: Concealed Carry thoughts. Reply with quote

I would love to hear where the ws.com people stand on CC.

DO you think its a good thing?

Thoughts on Zimmerman?

Thoughts on 2nd amendment in general?

Should teachers be trained and armed to stop sandy hook types of situations?

What is in your EDC (everyday carry) arsenal? (phone, wallet, knife, etc)

TLDR: any other rednecks out there?

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PostPosted: Jul 12, 2013 8:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

pretty self explanatory



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PostPosted: Jul 12, 2013 8:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In all seriousness though, I have my CC and I think its fantastic. Id honestly love to live in an open carry state. My theory on open carry is if a crazy is going to shoot up a place and walks in and sees 10 people openly carrying i know it would deter me for sure.

I think it is a GREAT thing as long as people are EDUCATED and know the laws in your state or town about gun carry. Education is my main issue with gun control. The more educated USUALLY means less problems.

Zimmerman I feel should get off. The media needs to show the most current photos of Trayvon Martin when hes 6'2" and 185lbs with tattoos a grill and throwing up gang signs in photos. Stop portraying him as an "innocent 15yr old" If Zimmerman was acting in self defense then open and shut case he gets off (which i believe he was).

2nd amendment see above. Laughing

Teachers should be trained for sure how to carry and stop shooters from coming in. Only problem is where are they going to keep the gun? In a safe? So tell the intruder hang on let me open my safe and get my gun to stop you brb! I think with a little bit of thought it can and should be done, just will take some thinking and a TON of education.

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PostPosted: Jul 13, 2013 10:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If i was 17 and I noticed a creepy fat dude following me in his car, I'd probably run too, and if he chased after me and cornered me, I'd probably be ready to beat his ass too. Just because he dresses like a gangster and has tattoos doesn't mean it was ok for him to be shot. Zimmerman was the attacker, and he brought the weapon to the party. He's a murderer.
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PostPosted: Jul 13, 2013 10:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

canalskater, you'd run? I would ask him what he was doing and let him know what I was doing if he was concerned. I wouldn't run or be ready to beat his ass for following me.
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PostPosted: Jul 13, 2013 11:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

daniel, exactly. 'ready to beat his ass' makes you the aggressor, wouldn't it?

If you looked like a gangster and the police stop to talk to you, you would speak to them and show that you aren't up to something sketchy and you aren't breaking the law right? Now there is no reason for some kid to stop for a complete stranger but there is also no reason to run until you decide to stop and beat his ass.

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PostPosted: Jul 13, 2013 12:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

canalskater, I never said it was ok for him to get shot. I agree with the two above. All he had to do was stop ask why he was being followed say he wasn't doing anything wrong and he'd be on his way and this would have never happened. I wouldn't ever "be ready to beat someone's ass" now a days because you never know who has a knife or gun and is willing to use it. Kid didn't deserve to die or get shot at all. But that's all just my opinion
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PostPosted: Jul 13, 2013 12:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

<MikeG> wrote:
You never know who has a knife or gun and is willing to use it.


Exactly why TJ was saying he wouldn't confront a suspicious vehicle that's been following him. In this scenario, a trigger-happy murderer was sitting there cocked and loaded.

I don't see what relevance his appearance has to the case. It doesn't matter how innocent he is being portrayed, it matters how innocent he is until proven guilty.

Zimmerman pulled the "Stand Your Ground" card, but it's not your ground when you chase the victim down in your car.
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PostPosted: Jul 13, 2013 1:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So you're saying tad, that Zimmerman chased him down with his car to shoot and kill him. Zimmerman's thought was "I am going to kill this kid and pull the stand your ground card." You're saying in no way was he defending himself and that it was a thought out process that he was going to chase him down follow him and then shoot and kill the kid?

Enough of the Trayvon Martin case BS. You have your opinions about it I have mine. Let the court decide if he is guilty or not. I'd actually like to see what other peoples EDC is and what peoples views are on CC, not just the case.
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PostPosted: Jul 13, 2013 2:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

<MikeG>, Nobody wants a snide condescending jerk in a discussion forum. The fact of the matter is Zimmerman was wrongfully profiling, playing policeman, and took unnecessary action when he should not have. He killed someone, and there will be ramifications whether he is convicted or not.
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PostPosted: Jul 13, 2013 2:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

<MikeG>, just looking at the facts. Every newsfeed uses the word "tracked" but what's the difference? He followed someone who was not guilty of any crimes. A neighborhood watch volunteer simply made an assumption and took action. I NEVER said he chased him down with the intent to kill and he may have been defending himself, just as much as Trayvon could have been defending himself. DNA experts proved Zimmerman did not suffer any significant "injuries" during his "brutal beating" by Trayvon. There's actually no DNA evidence that proves the two ever made any contact. Again, just looking at the facts.

I'm just saying it could have been avoided if he simply let the police handle the situation and followed the orders dispatch gave him. (Back off, do not pursue the "suspect".) He was armed in a vehicle, Trayvon was unarmed, on foot. All Zimmerman had to do was drive away. How can anyone deny that he created the circumstances in which led to the death of Trayvon? It's fact.


PS. The OP asked opinions on the case, don't tell everyone to stop talking about it because someone has an opposing view.




I'm totally for CC. There's no stopping the criminals from acquiring guns in the near future so I think everyone should have the right to protect themselves, so long as they are prepared to take on the consequences if they pull the trigger.

I personally carry a CRKT Neck Knife (paracord grip), a Leatherman and recently acquired a Glock 36, all of which fit very nicely in my hands.
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PostPosted: Jul 13, 2013 6:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm just going off the evidence

unfortuantly there is no hard evidence that Zimmerman chased Trayvon down, in fact in the recording , they tell Zimmerman not to follow him and to go back to his truck and he says okay , the problem here is that it's not illegal for Zimmerman to "follow" anyone...It is illegal for Trayvon to be on top of Zimmerman beating him...then a neighbor testifies that he clearly saw Trayvon on top of Zimmerman. All the evidence points to Zimmerman being the victim , grass stains on his jacket , injuries etc

The state never had a case to begin with and were forced to arrest Zimmerman from the all the riots in the streets lol. Now they were forced to make a case and dont have one piece of evidence , every witness the state brought to the stand just proved the defense's story ...then they try and refer to him as a child , no offense but he was 11 months away from being able to go fight for our country ... the state has no evidence so has referred to emotion and sarcasm ...I hope this mans life is not spent in prision based on someones emotions jeeze some justice

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PostPosted: Jul 13, 2013 8:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

-LoGiK- wrote:
I hope this mans life is not spent in prision based on someones emotions jeeze some justice


But you're ok with a teenager's life being taken based on someone's assumptions?
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PostPosted: Jul 13, 2013 8:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

tad, think the point is that the just system shouldn't be based emotions. don't think anyone on here is okay with a teenager's life being taken.
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PostPosted: Jul 13, 2013 9:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

who's assumptions ?

the guy who testified that said he saw trayvon on top
or zimmermans injuries
or zimmermans wet grassy back
or that trayvon had grass stains on his knees


I agree if trayvon just went home instead of coming back after zimmerman nothing would have happened , and if zimmerman didnt get out of his truck nothing would have happened....all trayvon had to do was A.) call 911 and run B.) Ask Zimmerman why he is being followed ....but because Trayvon decided to retaliate is why he caused his own death...

but you cant sit here and say if everyone stayed home no one would be murdered...

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PostPosted: Jul 13, 2013 11:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Zimmerman verdict is not guilty. Whether you agree or disagree our judicial system worked exactly as it should. Reasonable doubt goes great lengths. All I can say is I would not have wanted to be on that jury.
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PostPosted: Jul 14, 2013 3:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

<MikeG> wrote:
In all seriousness though, I have my CC and I think its fantastic. Id honestly love to live in an open carry state. My theory on open carry is if a crazy is going to shoot up a place and walks in and sees 10 people openly carrying i know it would deter me for sure.

I think it is a GREAT thing as long as people are EDUCATED and know the laws in your state or town about gun carry. Education is my main issue with gun control. The more educated USUALLY means less problems.

Zimmerman I feel should get off. The media needs to show the most current photos of Trayvon Martin when hes 6'2" and 185lbs with tattoos a grill and throwing up gang signs in photos. Stop portraying him as an "innocent 15yr old" If Zimmerman was acting in self defense then open and shut case he gets off (which i believe he was).

2nd amendment see above. Laughing

Teachers should be trained for sure how to carry and stop shooters from coming in. Only problem is where are they going to keep the gun? In a safe? So tell the intruder hang on let me open my safe and get my gun to stop you brb! I think with a little bit of thought it can and should be done, just will take some thinking and a TON of education.

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Love it. I was gunna write the exact shizzle, but you did it for me. I couldnt have but it better myself than Mike did. If you are a criminal about to rob a gas station and you walk in and the clerk, manager, janitor, and 3 other customers are all open carrying... what is the likely hood your going to follow through with said robbery... exactly.

As for teachers being trained to carry, im not against it... but i know a lot of liberal professors and teachers that would never put a hand on a gun because they are close minded and think "guns kill people". I dont think a mandatory firearms training class for teachers would be realistic. What i do think is necessary is to get AT LEAST ONE police officer in every school. In palm beach county we had just had another school shooting where the janitor came in and killed another janitor and then offed himself. Luckily no children were involved, but regardless the the Palm Beach School Police are hiring nearly 40ish more officers to start manning all the schools in the area, instead of each officer having about 3 schools to cover they will be more thinly spread and hopefully be more visible in the schools maybe providing a bit more deterrence.


As for the Trayvon thing... All i will say is I think its HILARIOUS what Obama is doing he says this "if I had a son, he'd look like Trayvon"... Seriously? Come on Obama.... Look at that wanna be thug... And as for everyone freaking out, might as well stop. You have the SAME exact rights as Zimmerman.... Innocent until proven guilty, beyond a reasonable doubt.... Now Obama is making this into a gun control situation saying "honor trayvon by battling gun violence".... The 2nd Amendment isnt changing.... and if you dont carry a gun... i suggest you take advantage of your rights.
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PostPosted: Jul 25, 2013 6:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just picked up a Glock 27!!!

and then theres this

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-=AlexXx=-, how do you like the 27? I've been thinking of picking up a 26 in the near future, even though I have an absolute hatred for sub-compact semi autos.

For the original topic

Concealed carry is a good thing, open carry is better.

Zimmerman was completely justified. If the race card is really going to be played and Zimmerman is white, then so is Obama. Otherwise a true "white" racist would want the Hispanic to go to jail for shooting the black, because that would be a twofer in their eyes.

As for the second amendment, look at Great Britain. Guns have been illegal in that country for years and they would pride themselves on how low their murder rate was. Then they banned internet pornography and there was nothing the people could do. You can't take porn from an armed population.


I don't like the idea of K-12 teachers being armed for the sake of being armed. If they have a CCW, I have zero problem with that as long as the students are unaware.
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-=AlexXx=-, Nice! New? Used? Had it on the range yet? How Much$


Mr. Top Hat, Why is open carry better?

<MikeG>, 8 )



tad, I get where you are coming from. But I don't think he woke up that day thinking he was going to kill someone. Its just a tragic story that either party could have avoided.

Also How do you like your Crawford?





As for me.


I dress every day to survive a robbery.

I have to. (bc I work a jewelry store if you don't know)

Let me tell you a true story that makes me relate to Zimmerman.



Early March 2013

My father and I are at the store. We have decorated our windows with Mardi-Gras mask and stuff for an upcoming Dog parade called Mardi-Growl to benefit the local No kill shelter and we were the main sponsor.
A guy comes into the store and gives my father and I this story. Lets call him Fred.

: Hi my name is fred and I was wondering if you have a moment to talk about a charity I am running. (we get asked to donate to a charity like everyday) I am taking collections from local business owners to help spread awareness for spay and neuter. I just need 100 cash and I will bring you 50 roses. You can give these away to your clients and explain to them that we will be organizing a march with inner city kids through neighborhoods with signs to promote spay and neuter.


Basically his plan was to get kids to run around screaming at people to make them spay and neuter their pets.

Not a terrible plan, but not worth 100 of our charitable donations.

We asked him to bring by paperwork showing his foundations legitimacy and the other participants.

So a week or two went by and He stopped by again to ask me I if I had made any decisions. I told him No and that it was not my place in the business to donate funds. So he left.


On the 27th of March He came back again.



-----preface to this day--------------------------------

So you guys can sit in my shoes for a second.

Our new store is Downtown. In front of a bus stop. We are in a 3 story building built in the 1920's. There are 5 tenants. One is a Insurance agency directly across the hall from me on the ground floor. The others are Law Offices located on the Second and Third Floor. As well as my landlords residence (at this time was under construction) on the second floor directly above me.

Our hours of operation are from 11am to 7pm

The law offices are Closed at 430-5ish

The Insurance Office closes at 5

So from 5-7pm I am alone in a 3 story building, With my wife, and an undisclosed amount of product.

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27th 4:40ish

He enters the building, comes into the store and ask for money again. I tell him that again its not my place to donate. He looks frustrated and walks across the hall to the insurance agency. Fred tells the owner of the insurance agency that I have just given him a check and that we will be his main sponsor. So mr insurance agency lets him explain the plan on the event and tries to get him to donate.

While he is across the hall my wife heads to use the restroom. Which is located in the back of the building a few hundred feet from my door down a marble hall.

After Fred gives the insurance his story Mr Insurance says that he isn't going to help because its not a great plan and Fred leaves his office and makes his way to the rear of the building. there is a nice window and bench next to the restrooms and the water fountain.

My wife comes out of the restroom and is going to fill her water bottle when he approaches her.

F-"are you mr terrys Daughter"

"no Im his daughter in law"

F " oh, well I am going to be your new neighbor"

shows my wife a buisness card

Fred Shetchy
President of Fred Works MFG
555 S. ST #104

(no kidding thats almost exactly what it says)


So my wife comes in and says that he just showed her a business card that has our address on it.

So I called my landloard to ask if he had acquired the vacant office that was available. She says no. And ask why. I inform her of the situation and she lets me know that he has been doing this for a while now. Apparently they had to ask him to leave earlier in the year because he was conducting interviews in our hallway pretending that the vacant office was his and was currently being remolded. So I should ask him to leave or call the 5/0, because he had tried to gain access after hours several times and we have had problems with that before.

Naturally I decided to ask him to leave without the assistance of the police.

So My wife has my cell ready (emergency plan), locks the door and I head down the hall.

I ask him what he is doing hanging out in the back of the building.

He says he is tired, and he was just taking a break.
I informed him that I was totally fine with him talking a rest, and now that he had I would appreciate him heading on about his way.

Puzzled he questioned me for asking him to leave the building. I informed him that the other bushiness were closed and I was the only one open. If he was not a customer he had no real reason to hang out and I would appreciate him leaving.

He started to get upset.
He was allowed to hang out here!

I told him that he was not. I informed him that I knew he just showed my wife a fake business card, that I had checked with the landlord confirming that he will not have an office here and that he was in a building with a No Soliciting sign , soliciting.

This is when he had a bi-poler snap that I have never witnessed before in my life. He cussed me all up and down. Screaming loud enough that without question my wife called the PD. As I herded him to the door she quickly handed me the phone through the door and locked the store down.

As he walked out the door I was giving his description as he started to jog/run away.

He makes it to the corner and turns, Im still on the phone out front on the street. I turn the corner to access my parking lot behind the building to make sure he has not decided to come back into the building or parking lot.

He is 1/2 block down. He turns around and sees me on the phone with the PD. Drops his stuff in his hands and charges at me.
shizzle

Im on the phone, I inform them that he is charging me.

As he is charging I draw my trusty side kick #1 Esee Izula

After his charge and first missed swing he realizes I have a phone in one hand on line with the PD and Izula in the other.

He takes off full sprint. Cop coming down the road in response to the call stops him.

No warrant out for him. Expired Maryland DL. Fake Business Cards.

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His face when the cops have me remove my firearm during the report was priceless.

I didn't sleep for like 3 days after.

Here is a guy who knows there is a vacant office, under construction, that he can get business cards printed for. He knows our building well enough to know when the doors lock.

I couldn't wrap my brain around what he was doing.

Casing me?

Con? If so the worst one ever. This is a Bible town, take on a Jesus based charity and no one would even question you, they just hand over cash.

The what if's made me sick.

What if he was the ploy to get me out the store while team two came to hit us while she was in the store without me?

What if he had just grabbed her at the back of the building and took her down the stairs?

I cant tell you how many terrible things I have to deal with on a daily basis
like this that make me crazy.We have been robbed before. I have been followed home. I have been cased by gangs, pros, and amateurs.


I have pics, video, and the business cards. But I wont put them up. Never know what might happen with this luny.

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So the PD put a report in, he has several. But I don't have anything to use against him for a restraining order.
If he steps into the building again he will be criminal trespassing. then we can do something about it.


Well guess what. He came back by. Few weeks ago. Comes up to the window. Bangs on it. I'm with customers. He starts screaming at me. Every word you can imagine. Then runs away. Saved the footage. Showed the PD. All I can do.

To me, someone with a mental illness is far more dangerous than a thug.

But I have been there fellas.

I truly know what it must have been like the moments leading to this altercation of Zimmerman and Trevon.

I know that mine could have escalated. I am lucky it didn't.

I never wanted to deal with this stuff, but I have to. I am in a constant state of alert.

I doubt I would have lasted longer than Z on the ground getting my ass kicked.

TV should have kept on his way and only stopped for someone with a badge.



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All IWB(inwaistband)
KelTec PF9 (how ironic right)
3 mags with +1 extensions =25 total rounds (one chaimbered)
Esee Izula or Esee 3MILSCP or Rowen HEST (depending on the shirt and day) (google those if you want the best in waist band concealed carry blades)


The lil keltec gets me from the showroom to the jewelers bench(thats bulletproof ish)

Behind the jewelers bench:
GLock19 with 2 33roundmags(jewelry store defender)
Mossburg Persuader (terminator shotgun) with some mega buck shot.



Im picking up a Keltec PLR16 soon as I get my hands on one. I also want a KSG like soooooooo bad. Im going to wait till they are cheaper.


I also think there should be one teacher/guard/cop at every school. No one should know who it is but the local law enforcement.

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