Science and God..story...drama free thread...

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i thought this was a cool email i got....


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> 'Let me explain the problem science has with Jesus Christ.' The
> atheist professor of philosophy pauses before his class and then asks
> one of his new students to stand.
>
> 'You're a Christian, aren't you, son?'
>
> 'Yes sir,' the student says.
>
> 'So you believe in God?'
>
> 'Absolutely.'
>
> 'Is God good?'
>
> 'Sure! God's good.'
>
> 'Is God all-powerful? Can God do anything?'
>
> 'Yes.'
>
> 'Are you good or evil?'
>
> 'The Bible says I'm evil.'
>
> The professor grins knowingly. 'Aha! The Bible!' He considers for a moment.
>
> 'Here's one for you. Let's say there's a sick person over here and you
> can cure him. You can do it. Would you help him? Would you try?'
>
> 'Yes sir, I would.'
>
> 'So you're good!'
>
> 'I wouldn't say that.'
>
> 'But why not say that? You'd help a sick and maimed person if you
> could. Most of us would if we could. But God doesn't.'
>
> The student does not answer, so the professor continues. 'He doesn't,
> does he? My brother was a Christian who died of cancer, even though he
> prayed to Jesus to heal him How is this Jesus good? Hmmm? Can you
> answer that one?'
>
> The student remains silent.
>
> 'No, you can't, can you?' the professor says. He takes a sip of water
> from a glass on his desk to give the student time to relax.
>
> 'Let's start again, young fella Is God good?'
>
> 'Uh ...yes,' the student says.
>
> 'Is Satan good?'
>
> The student doesn't hesitate on this one. 'No.'
>
> 'Then wh ere do es Satan come from?' </FONT>
>
> The student : 'From God...'
>
> 'That's right. God made Satan, didn't he? Tell me, son. Is there evil
> in this world?'
>
> 'Yes, sir.'
>
> 'Evil's everywhere, isn't it? And God did make everything, correct?'
>
> 'Yes.'
>
> 'So who created evil?' The professor continued, 'If God created
> everything, then God created evil, since evil exists, and according to
> the principle that our works define who we are, then God is evil.'
>
> Without allowing the student to answer, the professor continues: 'Is
> there sickness? Immorality? Hatred? Ugliness? All these terrible
> things, and do they exist in this world?'
>
> The student: 'Yes.'
>
> 'So who created them?'
>
> The student does not answer again, so the professor repeats his
> question. 'Who created them?' There is still no answer. Suddenly the
> lecturer breaks away to pace in front of the classroom. The cl ass is
> mesmerized.
>
> ' Tell me, ' he continues onto another student. 'Do you believe in
> Jesus Christ, son?'
>
> The student's voice is confident: 'Yes, professor, I do.'
>
> The old man stops pacing. 'Science says you have five senses you use
> to identify and observe the world around you. Have you ever seen
> Jesus?'
>
> 'No sir. I've never seen Him'
>
> 'Then tell us if you've ever heard your Jesus?'
>
> 'No, sir, I have not.'
>
> 'Have you ever actually felt your Jesus, tasted your Jesus or smelt
> your Jesus? Have you ever had any sensory perception of Jesus Christ,
> or God for that matter?'
>
> 'No, sir, I'm afraid I haven't.'
>
> 'Ye t you still believe in him?'
>
> 'Yes.'
>
> 'According to the rules of empirical, testable, demonstrable protocol,
> science says your God doesn't exist. What do you say to that, son?'
>
> 'Nothing,' the student replies. 'I only have my faith.'
>
> 'Yes, faith,' the professor repeats. 'And that is the problem science
> has with God. There is no evidence , only faith.'
>
> The student stands quietly for a moment, before asking a question of
> his own. 'Professor, is there such thing as heat?'
>
> 'Yes,' the professor replies. 'There's heat.'
>
> 'And is there such a thing as cold?'
>
> 'Yes, son, there's cold too.'
>
> 'No sir, there isn't.'
>
> The professor turns to face the student, obviously interested. The
> room suddenly becomes very quiet. The student begins to explain.
>
> 'You can have lots of heat, even more heat, super-heat, mega-heat,
> unlimited heat, white heat, a little heat or no heat, but we don't
> have anything called 'cold'. We can hit up to 458 degrees below zero,
> which is no heat, but we can't go any further after that. There is no
> such thing as cold; otherwise we would be able to go colder than the
> lowest -458 degrees. Every body or object is susceptible to study when
> it has or transmit s energy, and heat is what makes a body or matter
> have or transmit energy. Absolute zero (-458 F) is the total absence
> of heat. You see, sir, cold is only a word we use to describe the
> absence of heat. We cannot measure cold. Heat we can measure in
> thermal units because heat is energy. Cold is not the opposite of
> heat, sir, just the absence of it.'
>
> Silence across the room. A pen drops somewhere in the classroom,
> sounding like a hammer.
>
> 'What about darkness, professor. Is there such a thing as darkness?'
>
> 'Yes,' the professor replies without hesitation. 'What is night if it
> isn't darkness?'
>
> 'You're wrong again, sir. Darkness is not something; it is the absence
> of something. You can have low light, normal light, bright light,
> flashing light, but if you have no light constantly you have nothing
> and it's called darkness, isn't it? That's the meaning we use to
> define the word. In reality, darkness isn't. If it were, you would be
> able to make darkness darker, wouldn't you?'
>
> T he professor begins to smile at the student in front of him. This
> will be a good semester. 'So what point are you making, young man?'
>
> 'Yes, professor. My point is, your philosophical premise is flawed to
> start with, and so your conclusion must also be flawed.'
>
> The professor's face cannot hide his surprise this time. 'Flawed? Can
> you explain how?'
>
> 'You a re working on the premise of duality,' the student explains.
> 'You argue that there is life and then there's death; a good God and a
> bad God. You are viewing the concept of God as something finite,
> something we can measure. Sir, science can't even explain a thought.
> It uses electricity and magnetism, but has never seen, much less fully
> understood either one. To view death as the opposite of life is to be
> ignorant of the fact that death cannot exist as a substantive thing.
> Death is not the opposite of life, just the absence of it.'
>
> 'Now tell me, professor. Do you teach your students that they evolved
> from a monkey?'<BR>
> 'If you are referring to the natural evolutionary process, young man,
> yes, of course I do'
>
> 'Have you ever observed evolution with your own eyes, sir?'
>
> The professor begins to shake his head, still smiling, as he realizes
> where the argument is going. A very good semester, indeed.
>
> 'Since no one has ever observed the process of evolution at work and
> cannot even prove that this process is an on-going endeavor, are you
> not teaching your opinion, sir? Are you now not a scientist, but a
> preacher?'
>
> The class is in uproar. The student remains silent until the commotion
> has subsided.
>
> 'To continue the point you were making earlier to the other student,
> let me give you an example of what I mean.'
>
> The student looks around the room. 'Is there anyone in the class who
> has ever seen the professor's brain?' The class breaks out into
> laughter.
>
> 'Is there anyone here who has ever heard the professor' s brai n,
> felt the professor's brain, touched or smelled the professor's brain?
> No one appears to have done so. So, according to the established rules
> of empirical, stable, demonstrable protocol, science says that you
> have no brain, with all due respect, sir. So if science says you have
> no brain, how can we trust your lectures, sir?'
>
> Now the room is silent. The professor just stares at the student, his
> face unreadable.
>
> Finally, after what seems an eternity, the old man answers. 'I guess
> you'll have to take them on faith.'
>
> 'Now, you accept that there is faith, and, in fact, faith exists with
> life,' the student continues. 'Now, sir, is there such a thing as
> evil?'
>
> Now uncertain, the professor responds, 'Of course, there is. We see it
> everyday. It is in the daily example of man's inhumanity to man. It is
> in the multitude of crime and violence everywhere in the world. These
> manifestations are nothing else but evil.'
>
> To this the student replied, 'Evil does no t exist sir, or at leas t
> it does not exist unto itself. Evil is simply the absence of God. It
> is just like darkness and cold, a word that man has created to
> describe the absence of God. God did not create evil. Evil is the
> result of what happens when man do es not have God's love present in
> his heart. It's like the cold that comes when there is no heat or the
> darkness that comes when there is no light.'
>
> The professor sat down.
>PWNED

[TSUskater]

that's awesome

that professor probablly felt so stupid to get pwned by a kid like that.

[pipo]

That is amazing.

[EJazzle]

wow.

[nate_]

werd.

[Gnarly Dancer 42]

the professor hasnt done his reasearch at all

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Gnarly Dancer 42, true---- but its just another one of those onesided emails that only prove the point at hand.............

[Kay-Kay]

haha, it's an e-mailed story. I doubt that this ever actually happened.

You can never prove or disprove the existence of God. Believe what you believe.

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[hpdvs]

I'm not going to say what my views are on religion but that was ONE HELL of a story; thanks for that post

[waterdork88]

thats pretty cool and i learned something new

i like the one where the professor tries to disprove God's existence. he goes on and on about how there is no way God could possibly exist. then the student asks

"do you know what an absolute truth is?"

the professor says "of course, its whenever you can prove something that is undeniably true as fact"

student- "if i were to say there is NO gold in China, then that would mean that i know everything about China. I have searched behind every rock. I have looked in every person mouth. I would have to know everything about China to prove that there is NO gold in China. however if I wanted to prove that there was gold, all i would need a little evidence, even as little as a little goldfilling in someones mouth. then i could prove as an absolue truth that there is gold in China. Therefore unless you have searched everywhere in the universe. Under every rock of every planet, behind everystar, under each grain of sand on everybeach. You would have to know everything about everything to disprove God."

[bob.]

hahaha that was a great story

pwnt like a n00bsauce

lets keep this thread so it doesnt turn into a giant battle of beliefs

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[dylo]

haha love it

[shmifty]

that was retarded. If he was a real professor he would have known that their was no such thing as cold. and the whole gold in china. You would need to check everywhere in the universe to prove their is god....


food for thought

it is always evolution vs. religion

or science vs. faith

i personally believe (take it or leave it im just tickling brains) that religion evolves in proportion to science. Look at how we look back on ancient civilizations that worshipped the sun or trees and anything else they couldn't explain. Now that we know the sun is a star and the center of our galaxy that religion seems ridiculous to us. The more we know the more our beliefs will change. Until one day we prove that their is or is not a god. thousands of years from know people will be studying this time period. Who is to say they wont look at us and say " ha, they used to worship this imaginary man in the sky" or whatever. Just like we look at greek mythology and all that. and evil is not the absence of god. if u read the bible im sure your aware that god himself has done some pretty evil things.

[deltarider]

Science is faith's pefect complement.

Evolution is proven beyond any reasonable doubt, and is also entirely compatible with the Bible.

God, according to His standards, is outside of time and nature. Science cannot comment on Him, it's simply agnostic.

shmifty, God Himself hasn't done anything evil. It's called slander, people do things in the name of God, but did He permit those things? Nope.

shmifty, science will never be able to prove or disprove the existence of God. And you would be foolish to say that we will be able to.

[deltarider]

Another straw man fallacy commonly used by creationists is that humans directly evolved from monkeys. This is obviously false, we just share a common ancestor with the great apes.

[shmifty]

how would i be foolish to say that. Who are you to say we can or cannot prove their is god. You have no idea the type of technology we will have in the future. If you went back to 1910 and told everyone that in the future you will have a piece of glass that you touch in order to call anyone around the word, look up any information on the internet(once you explained what that was) or watch movie an play music. People couldn't even fathom an iphone or the internet or open heart surgery. The truth is technology is growing at an exponential rate and we have no idea what we will be able to do in the future. It will be like nothing we could even imagine. We will be just like the 1910 dudes and the iphone.

god is the ultimate government. he is the big scary thing that you never see but are always afraid of. How many people would be religious if you didnt apparently go to hell. How many people wouldnt pay taxes if they didn't go to jail. How many kids would steal cookies if they knew their parents wouldn't be mad. i think the majority would.

[bob.]

[Mr. Top Hat]

if you drink an entire bottle of cough syrup you can see god. he does exist and you can meet him for under ten bucks.