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Schmaltz Backside 180
Joined: 16 Sep 2003 Posts: 721 City: San Jose
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Posted: Aug 04, 2004 7:41 pm Post subject: |
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Patents are expensive and usually not worth the effort unless you have an extremly unique idea and specialized applacation for it that you your self manufacture... It should have all the bugs worked ou,t and won't evolve much further than when it was filed.
There are many ways around them just by slightly changing something... Once things come out and the deck evoles there original pattent might be nullified.
You need a good lawyer and have every posible base covered. The paper work is mind numbing.
One of my good friends owns the patent on snowskates ... Stan Pleskunas his partner in the patent used to be my ex-partner in Mutiny... Weird ...
Anyway...
Burton sells these all day and night among other companies and he can't do a thing about it... or get paid for the idea... but, it cost a bit just to have some paper work that says this and that... Here is a link to the patent at the USPTO
::: http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO2&Sect2=HITOFF&p=1&u=/netahtml/search-bool.html&r=1&f=G&l=50&co1=AND&d=ptxt&s1=dykema.INZZ.&s2=pleskunas.INZZ.&OS=IN/dykema+AND+IN/pleskunas&RS=IN/dykema+AND+IN/pleskunas
there are some cool images on there and specs. also some patents that are simular... also check out all the in's and out's of the "Claims section & description" I seriously would hate to work at the USPTO... lol .
I'm stoked for Thomas he has a good head for design, hopefully their patent will work well for them... |
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electricsnow cassette
Joined: 14 Sep 2003 Posts: 10735 City: Jefferton
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Posted: Aug 04, 2004 8:16 pm Post subject: |
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It's one thing to be inspired by a design, but it's quite another to actually incorporate it into a product of a different genre and make it work (ie making the original cassette concaves a reality, etc). That's just my opinion... _________________ *The opinions expressed are on my behalf and not those of wakeskating.com* |
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nick Island Rat
Joined: 13 Nov 2003 Posts: 14553 City: Honokowai
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Posted: Aug 04, 2004 9:03 pm Post subject: |
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electricsnow, perfect wording on that one, really _________________ √ |
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kento911 Kickflip
Joined: 29 Mar 2004 Posts: 3657 City: Phoenix
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Posted: Aug 05, 2004 12:59 am Post subject: |
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I gotta agree with electricsnow, looking at another sport and saying, "oh that would work well for what were doing" , versus actually making it appliciable and funtional for a suited application in this case wake skating takes a lot of design talent, kudos to Thomas, I feel he is definately taking it in the right direction _________________ why dont you try playing hide and go Fvck yourself |
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Mr. F Ollie
Joined: 26 Jul 2004 Posts: 52
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Posted: Aug 05, 2004 2:53 am Post subject: |
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Bi level decks will surely deliver higher pops and easier hollies!! But what about edging out? It seams that the top deck will also drag in the water.....problem?! |
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Rob Backside 180
Joined: 16 Sep 2003 Posts: 581 City: Stockholm/Sweden
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Posted: Aug 05, 2004 5:18 am Post subject: |
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Mr. F, Why would that be a problem? You edge with the lower deck, right? When we snowskate in the winter we have no problems with top deck draging in the snow, maybe they aren't comparable but they seem to work the same way...
I'm wondering about the fin set-up on the bi levels? (size? set up? nose slide fins?) _________________ _____________________________
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cfxomega Frontside 180
Joined: 29 Jul 2004 Posts: 466
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Posted: Aug 05, 2004 7:38 am Post subject: |
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Can someone please scan and post the ad from Alliance mag that was mentioned yesterday...thanks
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livewirelp Pop Shuvit
Joined: 03 Jan 2004 Posts: 123
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Posted: Aug 05, 2004 7:42 am Post subject: |
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About the edging thing... I kind of agree that it may be a bit squirrely. If the top deck has some springy relationship with the bottom deck, it may not be entirely predictable in how it edges. By that I mean, it's going to feel weird because we are used to tilting the board on the rail to rail axis during the edge, but the energy we put into that tilt won't necessarily directly translate into the bottom board. This is probably a pretty incoherent post, but it makes sense to me |
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cfxomega Frontside 180
Joined: 29 Jul 2004 Posts: 466
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Posted: Aug 05, 2004 8:03 am Post subject: |
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livewirelp wrote: | About the edging thing... I kind of agree that it may be a bit squirrely. If the top deck has some springy relationship with the bottom deck, it may not be entirely predictable in how it edges. By that I mean, it's going to feel weird because we are used to tilting the board on the rail to rail axis during the edge, but the energy we put into that tilt won't necessarily directly translate into the bottom board. This is probably a pretty incoherent post, but it makes sense to me | There is only 1/8" between the two boards...you probably won't feel "raised" from the water as if you were on a skateboard. I'm wondering how many plys the bottom deck will be...will they be taking some plys out of the bottom deck to keep weight down because of the top deck?
Also, you probably can't feel the "flex" of the top board on the edges, only on the kicktails. I've never seen or touched the boards for myself though so this is pure speculation...
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INDEFINITE Faceplant
Joined: 02 Aug 2004 Posts: 28
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Posted: Aug 05, 2004 9:18 am Post subject: |
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Actually, I am predicting that this board is going to change everything that we know of wakeskating, the "snap" or ollie of the deck, the responsiveness, as well as; the whole psychological feel of being on top of the water and not in the water as to say as a conventional wakeskate. It will be like that more of skateboarding on the water, the tricks will "probably" become more of skate style, and the ability to produce more creative tricks will become unlimited. I expect this board, and its endless possibilities to change the whole aspect of wakeskating to a positive one, and not with gimmicks, but with simple physics/engineering. |
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stompin9s Backside 180
Joined: 12 Nov 2003 Posts: 2385 City: Vail - CO
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Posted: Aug 05, 2004 10:02 am Post subject: |
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cfxomega, yeah everyone thinks its gonna be like 2-3 inches off of the water like a snowskate or skateboard...ur post made the most sense so far...an 8th of an inch is a pretty small gap [ ] probably like that big people _________________ "it is better to fail in originality than to succeed in imitation." |
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livewirelp Pop Shuvit
Joined: 03 Jan 2004 Posts: 123
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Posted: Aug 05, 2004 10:25 am Post subject: |
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Fair enough, but it works both ways. Yeah, it's only 1/8th an inch... that means that the increased leverage isn't all that much either. |
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jerrysk8 Frontside 180
Joined: 17 Nov 2003 Posts: 316 City: QLD, Australia
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Posted: Aug 05, 2004 4:11 pm Post subject: |
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could be like riding a delaminated board. with just an 1/8th of an inch gap there's proably not gonna be any gap, especially on the tail, when you ride the board due to the force you apply to it. does that make sense? _________________ the tap - crailtap.com
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David Legler linear perspective
Joined: 14 Sep 2003 Posts: 628 City: Durham
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Posted: Aug 05, 2004 6:57 pm Post subject: |
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i just noticed that the byerly wakeskate in the alliance has one of the fins on it that you can use to do noseslides and such. |
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wcwakeskater Backside 180
Joined: 13 Sep 2003 Posts: 1442 City: Vicksburg
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Posted: Aug 05, 2004 6:59 pm Post subject: |
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somebody has to post pics! |
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nick Island Rat
Joined: 13 Nov 2003 Posts: 14553 City: Honokowai
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Posted: Aug 05, 2004 9:08 pm Post subject: |
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seriously, anybody? ... electricsnow i know you get alliance and have a scanner _________________ √ |
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electricsnow cassette
Joined: 14 Sep 2003 Posts: 10735 City: Jefferton
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Posted: Aug 06, 2004 12:24 am Post subject: |
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sorry che blanc, I don't even have the magazine yet. It takes awhile for it to make its way up this way...If I'm lucky I'll have it by saturday, but I'm not very lucky so... _________________ *The opinions expressed are on my behalf and not those of wakeskating.com* |
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el Backside 180
Joined: 07 Oct 2003 Posts: 1739 City: The Sea
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Posted: Aug 06, 2004 12:48 am Post subject: |
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Maybe if I had a scanner I could alleviate the problem... who wants to give me a scanner? _________________
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Mr. F Ollie
Joined: 26 Jul 2004 Posts: 52
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Posted: Aug 06, 2004 2:43 am Post subject: |
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Again, the idea is awesome but just as a reminder: it is (so far) only an announcement of what might come (remember 2004 decks?) and it sounds (so far) as only a mere water application of what Burton and/or Salomon bi level snowskates are! Where is the innovation ....I don’t get it.......I like cassette, I do respect cassettes team and their rad riding but common.......this is so far only propaganda about a technology that is still yet to come... and NO…. IT IS NOT INNOVATION but application of what exist already since 2 years in the snowskate industry.. |
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Rob Backside 180
Joined: 16 Sep 2003 Posts: 581 City: Stockholm/Sweden
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Posted: Aug 06, 2004 3:57 am Post subject: |
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When Cassette made their first wakeskate with grip, I don't remember people calling it an "application" of skateboards. It was more like an innovation of mixing two boards together. (skateboard/wakeboard) Yes, snowskates have the same technology but making it work on the WATER makes them an innovation to me........ _________________ _____________________________
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