Honda GX200 vs Subaru Robin 7 hp vs Briggs And Stratton Inte

SwissArmyKnife · Pop Shuvit Joined: 30 Nov 2007 Posts: 152 City: PawPaw

i work on small engines. i would go Briggs for sure... super reliable and if something does go sour, the parts are really easy to find and are cheaper.

JonnyBravo · Posted: Feb 12, 2008 8:17 am Post subject:

Put it this way. My originial ghinch (the one that i had in a trolley) was pulled by a very old 5hp robin engine. My 7hp honda knock off (which im using now) is only just strong enough to do water starts. The robin i rekon would be almost as strong as the honda knock off. Robin all the way dude.

trevor881 · Frontside 180 Joined: 22 Jan 2008 Posts: 339 City: keys

well honda is the best, but the other two have more hp. any of them would be sick tho.

Soulprogression · Posted: Feb 12, 2008 2:20 pm Post subject:

i've got the 6.5 briggs and it'll pull you hella faster than you wana go and hasn't given me a problem yet, that 8 will be money for an insane winch. Look at it this way, we used to use briggs powered push mowers with our lawn service and we replaced them once a year, never for the engine, but because everything else fell apart. The motor will last forever, just treat her right.

CGA PFD · Posted: Feb 12, 2008 4:03 pm Post subject:

JB_CANSKATE · Posted: Feb 12, 2008 5:44 pm Post subject:

I'm going with the briggs because I found it for the cheapest and I'm borrowing the money until schools done.

I'm also moving up to a 72 toothed sprocket. My winch is gonna be a heavy momma but she'll have a good strong pull.. Wink

Thanks for all the help!

iWinch · Ollie Joined: 15 Aug 2007 Posts: 93 City: ATL

Honda GX200 6.5HP - Weight: 41 Pounds
Briggs & Stratton 8HP Intek - Weight: 63 Pounds
Subaru EX21 Overhead Cam 7 HP Engine - Weight 35 Pounds

For what it's worth:
EX27 Overhead Cam 9 HP Engine - Weight 46 Pounds

One of the selling points for me was the overall dimmensions. Check into that. I remember the Briggs being very tall. The honda and Subaru are very small.

awatts · Posted: Feb 16, 2008 11:42 am Post subject:

My Subaru has treated me awesome. Gobs and gobs of power. I did go with the 9 horse and it is on the heavier side but you have all the power you will ever need.

peligro18 · Ollie Joined: 13 Jul 2011 Posts: 53

i have a big ramp and i feel that in the last part i am not being pulled by a boat...that is the feeling i want...i want fast and torque... i weight 81 kg or 190 lbs
i have the subaru 7hp

i have the 10t tav and 40t sproket ...its a 40 chain...
i changed the 35chain of 12 in the tav with 55 on the sproket...

455rpms vs 467 with the new setup

what should i do? go for the 9hp or go with the 12 or 14 hp?

Bamalurker · Posted: Jan 17, 2012 5:55 pm Post subject:

As far as the three engines you posted I would put the Honda on top and the suby second. The Briggs is rediculously heavy and unless your just backin your winch up to a pond weight is pretty important in my opinion. I have one of the older aluminum released winches and it's so much easier getting it into these remote winch spots than my buddies grinch and rediculous. Mine came with a genuine Honda gx200 that ran great for four years. Not just pullin me and my bros but pullin a two day railjam for the last three years. At the railjams it had to run ALL day. That engine (while still running) seemed to start losing a lil power so I got another Honda gx200 that was modified by nr racing. It was still only 400$ but has a bunch of simple mods that bump the HP up to 8.5. (stiffer valve springs, smaller cooling fan, advanced timing keyway, ported and polished, jetkit, hiflow filter and racing exhaust, and governor removed.) since the governer got removed I had to order a different throttle linkage kit to make the stock throttle arm work. I found the kit at affordable go karts.com for like 16$. I freakin love how much power is there when I need but when pulling an average sized person I have the wot screw turned in quite a bit. I'd highly recomend this setup for anyone wanting a winch that will pull little kids at a speed they r comfy with all the way up to the big boys who can never seem to go fast enough. When I back the WOT screw out almost all the way this thing has to be going close to 30mph. I run it with a tav2 and the gearing is whatever came from released. I'll check the sprocket size and post it up shortly. Also; nr racing is making a high torque cam listed as a winch boarding cam. It's supposed to keep the power from bogging if your cutting hard to a kicker or wallride. Oh and I put the stock muffler back on in this setup.

peligro18 · Ollie Joined: 13 Jul 2011 Posts: 53

yeah if you do the sproket diameter it will be great!
do you think those gx200 modifications can make the engine really that powerfull? double the hp or triple it?
http://www.nr-racing.com/gx200motors.htm Crazy Eyes

Bamalurker · Posted: Jan 18, 2012 2:53 pm Post subject:

I'll check it tonite and let you know. I have a friend that's running a 12 horse and it's waaaayyy to fast. To pull me he gives it half throttle and it's realy hard to keep it at a constant speed with the factory throttle. He's realy the only one that can drive it good. Yes those go kart racing Honda engines can put down some serious power with all the right mods. Nr has dyno graphs to prove it. But to double or triple the power out of a gx 200 ur gonna spend some money. I wish I already had that high torque cam so I could tell ya how it performs. I love the setup I mentioned above so I def recomend it. The last time I called nr the guy said someone had just orderd 20 of that same engine and that they were all for winches. I don't know who he's talkin about but sumone out there diggs that motor enough to put them on 20 winches their building.

Bamalurker · Posted: Jan 18, 2012 3:16 pm Post subject:

Also another thing you can do to change the speed and torque on any winch is to change the inside diameter of the spool. The smaller the diameter the slower you'll go but have more torque. If ur just looking door speed you can take some old junk rope (pull ur winch rope off first) and wrap it around the spool real tight untill it's a half inch to a whole inch thick. Then put you winch rope back on. Ur not gonna hook the two ropes together, it's just to make the spool fatter. I did this with my old engine and it worked great. Also depending on what winch you have sum winches on the market have adjustable spools. Good luck.

robsmaze · Posted: Jan 18, 2012 4:06 pm Post subject:

better than all of these motors - get an electric winch - torque is constant throughout the speed band - not clutch or torq-a-verter - no yanking on the start and no noise...

Bamalurker · Posted: Jan 18, 2012 4:28 pm Post subject:

Electric? What about when we drag our winch deep in the woods for three days of camping and winching. How many batteries would we haft to lug along? How much does this thing weigh?

Bamalurker · Posted: Jan 19, 2012 4:03 pm Post subject:

Up, peligro. I forgot about checkin what tooth sprocket is on my winch. I promise as soon as I get home from work I'll check it and let ya know. Check back in about two hours.

Bamalurker · Posted: Jan 20, 2012 2:55 am Post subject:

55tooth sprocket. That's kinda surprising, thought it would be bigger than that. Check out hortsman clutches. They make quick change hubs and sprockets.

peligro18 · Ollie Joined: 13 Jul 2011 Posts: 53

55t sproket chain35 is the same as 40tchain40 Crazy Eyes

so we must have same rpms
whats your tav sproket 12? 35size
i run the 10T size40/41 and the guy do the math and said that i had 455rpms now and with the new setup i was gonna have 467rpms

the subaru is letting me down
and the tav when is pulling you
it stops and then goes again! and then stop and then again!
normal right? everything seems fine i just dont have enoght power... not even the ramp

http://youtu.be/w_fP583V2yE if i leave early the ramp then its ok power

peligro18 · Ollie Joined: 13 Jul 2011 Posts: 53

i just read this thread
http://www.wakeskating.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=28145&highlight=

it seems that the stoping of the torque can be due to the setup i have right now
maybe thats why i feel the change of speed and maybe now i can get more Very Happy

Bamalurker · Posted: Jan 25, 2012 4:27 pm Post subject:

Wait, your saying your sprocket only has 40 teeth on it?