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bonsaitree
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 Posted: Oct 30, 2007 11:15 pm Post subject: winter project |
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I've decided that once we put the boat up this summer I'm going to start building a wakeskate. I've done all kinds of reading and research. I've worn out the search buttons at a couple forums, and google is definantly feeling the effects of all those clicks, but I've still got a few questions that I'm hoping some of you will be able to provide some insight into.
How is the shape of the board going to affect how the board rides? I still can't understand why some boards have the more squared off shape as opposed to a rounded edge on them. Do the sharper corners help with control during edging? Is the wider tail going to give more pop when I ollie? will a more rounded board (like the new "pool riding" decks) be a lot more loose on the water?
I'm also curious how a 5 stage rocker is going to react as compared to a 3 stage or continuous. But for that matter I'm curious how a 3 stage and continuous rocker are going to react on a skate. I know how they react on a wakeboard, but will they react differently on the skate? especially for things like kick flips and shuvs. Is a 3 stage going to give more ollie pop? It would be awesome if someone could explain a 5 stage rocker to me too! Is it gonna be flat on the bottom with two radius curves on each end, the smaller radius begin the outer to help push the nose and tail of the skate up?
I know a lot of these questions sound extremely vague and they are, but thats because I'm still trying to find out lots of information before I jump into this project. I'm really just looking for a little bit more knowledge on how the wakeskate is going to react to me on the water. And before you tell me to just go buy a skate because it'll be cheaper, let me say I'm doing this for the fun of it. Thanks for any help ya'll can offer, and a definite thanks for all the help I've already gotten from searching! This is a great site here and I hope to stick around for a while.  |
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River WF
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| Posted: Oct 30, 2007 11:23 pm Post subject: |
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| bonsaitree, ive made a couple skates and what i can tell you is.... that all of wakeskating is preference preference preference. its what YOU like. i personally like more squared off boards like kampus k series. and a 3 stage rocker is the favorite for just about everyone i believe. uh. and idk if it really even possible to make a 5 stage from your garage... lol. im guessing its going to be a wooden skate too? just trying to help.... |
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bonsaitree
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| Posted: Oct 31, 2007 2:10 am Post subject: |
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| yeah, its gonna be a wooden wakeskate. And I totally understand its going to be all about preference when it comes to the shape, and I know how I would prefer for the board to react but what I don't know is how to build it to react that way. Thats really what I'm trying to figure out. lol now just because you said you don't think its possible I want to make a 5 stage. ROFL damn the engineer in me. |
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River WF
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| Posted: Oct 31, 2007 12:59 pm Post subject: |
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| haha. good luck. but your options are gonna either be 3 stage or continuous. sorry buddy |
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bmr712
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| Posted: Oct 31, 2007 3:33 pm Post subject: |
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i make my own boards and some for friends and it is all about shape, material and the rocker
you probably won't get the best board first try but you can make solid boards |
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bob.
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| Posted: Oct 31, 2007 4:40 pm Post subject: |
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squared off nose/tail sit higher in the water, edge faster, catch easier.
round sit lower, edge slower, are more forgiving.
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Lollar
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bmr712
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| Posted: Oct 31, 2007 9:12 pm Post subject: |
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thefunky31 not really but i could make one if yall need some guidelines or help building a skate
you can send a message to me if you have any questions
The best part is knowing that your riding something you made |
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BARRETT
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| Posted: Oct 31, 2007 10:40 pm Post subject: |
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bonsaitree
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| Posted: Oct 31, 2007 10:47 pm Post subject: |
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| River WF wrote: | | haha. good luck. but your options are gonna either be 3 stage or continuous. sorry buddy |
To that I have this to say.... If everyone thought like you we'd all be sitting around whacking animals with sticks hoping they would die.
Proof that new things can be done.....
THE GUY:
| Quote: | Hello,
Background:
I am trying to build my dream 21'6" ski/wakeboard boat. I want to build a plug for an actual production style mold(I trying to build this into a business). I have some auto body and boat maintenance repair knowledge. I have had little experience with fiberglass and none with gelcoating.
Situation:
I have a design I want to build but and am on a budget(who isn't) and want to build a 2 part Poly foam and plywood plug. The plywood for support and the foam exterior shaped to the desired shell. I plan to use a Versi-Foam system to spray the foam, unless you someone knows of a better foam for shaping, but I don't know what tools I'm going to need to shape this stuff and how I am going to coat this foam to be able to lay-up a mold on it?
Questions:
- Is this the right foam(Versi-Foam) to use for this large project?
- What tools am I going to need to shape this foam?
- And what do I need to coat this foam in, to be able to lay-up a mold on it?
Gratitude:
Any advice is GREATLY appreciated and will garnish good karma, my eternal thanks, and a free ride on the finished product whenever you are in Sunny San Diego. |
THE RESPONSES:
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Not questioning your motives but what exactly do you want to accomplish by designing your own boat from scratch?
If this is your first attempt to build a plug or mold for the first time I can tell you without any hesitation YOU WILL FAIL. If on the other hand you have previous experience you might have a 50% chance of making something different or interesting.
When you see all those ski boats from MasterCraft, Nautique and others...what do you see that you either don't like or would like to improve upon.
If trying to save money is your intent...You Won't.
If improving design is your intent...You better know more than these designers.
I am in the process of finish building and outboard waterski boat...why did I build it?
1. They don't make them any more.
2. Outboards offer better interior space compared to inboards
3. I like going faster then the pathetic 45 mph top speed of today's ski boats.
4. I hate the harsh ride traditional ski boats offer.
My strong suggestion is not to build it from scratch...use an existing hull and modify its features...sorry for the long speech...good luck with whatever you decide to do. |
RETORT:
| Quote: | | I am building this boat because it is a dream. I love wakeboarding and I love design. I have been very interested in boat design for many years and really feel that this is an attainable goal. |
PROOF OF WHAT CAN BE DONE:
| Quote: | | Well, I appriciate all the words of encouragement and we have actually finished our first production boat now. The name of the company is Epic Boats and the new boat is the Epic 23v. The boat has been performing very well and impressed even the harshiest critics so far. We actually just finished a photo shot down on San Diego Bay by the aircraft carrier with a couple of the world's best wakeskaters and the boat performed flawlessly. Helicopters, chase boats, monstrous tug boat wakes that almost killed a camera man. It was a lot of fun and great to see pro riders stoked on the wake and the boat. Anyways, I just wanted to say thanks and give you guys the website to see what can be done if you stick with a great idea... www.epicboats.com |
http://www.epicboats.com
If you don't know about epic boats check out their site. Its a KILLER setup and definantly has some good progression going in the area of boat building.
Original Thread:
http://www.boatdesign.net/forum/archive/index.php/t-1638.html[/quote]
(credit to the guy who did all the quoting. Hes the man and if you know him Lcap is a pretty cool guy) |
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Hyperlite_06Byerly
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| Posted: Oct 31, 2007 10:55 pm Post subject: |
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that sounded alot like an ad... but tight boats.
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bonsaitree
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| Posted: Nov 01, 2007 3:36 am Post subject: |
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| Hyperlite_06Byerly wrote: | | that sounded alot like an ad... but tight boats. |
Yeah I guess it does sound a lot like an add, though I meant it more as a retort to River's constant insistance that I can't do whatever I want. Yes some things may take far more work but that doesn't mean they can't be achieved just the same. If the mods feel it seems too much like an ad feel free to remove it or let me know and I will. I don't work for epic, just think its cool that the guy decided to build his own boat cause he thought he had some better ideas and they turned out to make an amazing boat. |
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bmr712
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| Posted: Nov 01, 2007 4:13 pm Post subject: |
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that is insane
expecially casue they make sweet boats and the ballest is 4,000 pds. Props to them |
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River WF
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| Posted: Nov 01, 2007 4:17 pm Post subject: |
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| bonsaitree, well actually i make my own boards with own shapes. just telling him unless he has a ton of thought and wants to take it more seriously than just a little side project it will be next to impossible. but whatever you say buddy |
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River WF
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| Posted: Nov 01, 2007 4:20 pm Post subject: |
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| and bonsaitree that guy you just said took it as a career. you said side winter project????? just trying to help you out buddy |
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