trouble with backside surface 180

Iwksk8 · Ollie Joined: 06 Jun 2004 Posts: 56 City: New Port Richey

It seems like I just can't get my feet to do the right thing so i fall away from the boat or the board just goes into the water on one end so I just sink or lose balance and let go. I currently go about 18 mph to practice surface tricks. I can currently go switch back and forth(frontside surface 180's) without a problem. I can only bunny-hop about 3 inches though Smile

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I noticed that putting the board sideways so that I am facing forwards and sliding does not seem very stable(cant hold it there long) so maybe I should shorten the default fins on the scape 107. I am not sure what size they are but probably close to 1.8 inches.

Any tips on how to get this figured out would be appreciated. I spent a few hours today trying it without much luck.

Dave Barousse · Faceplant Joined: 10 Sep 2003 Posts: 5

Are you doing this on the wake are in the flats?

Iwksk8 · Ollie Joined: 06 Jun 2004 Posts: 56 City: New Port Richey

Flats mainly. I tried directly behind the seadoo, but the water is too turbulent there.

Dave Barousse · Faceplant Joined: 10 Sep 2003 Posts: 5

Try to play around on the wake. Do lipslides and boardslides on the wake as if it were a rail. Once you feel comfortable, try some frontide boardslides. That may help you get the feel for a backside surface 180.

I would personally get my ollies down better and then work on ollie backside 180's rather than surface.

Iwksk8 · Ollie Joined: 06 Jun 2004 Posts: 56 City: New Port Richey

All the tricks I do are surface tricks without ollies. I can't ollie enough and I am not comfortable enough with them to try a trick that includes ollies. Since that seems to be taking awhile I figured I would just work on all the surface tricks first. I have noticed that tricks on the wake(what little wake there is from a seadoo) does make surface tricks easier since the board releases much easier. I will try to do the backside stuff on the wake more if I can and spend more time on my ollies I guess. I wonder if it would help to remove the fins once just to get the hang of it easier since the board will release easier. When the board releases it is kind of a jolt. It probably doesn't help that I have the smallest scape board and I am 6'1 and 158 pounds so I assume the fins are more in the water than if I had a bigger wakeskate board(probably wrong though).

Iwksk8 · Ollie Joined: 06 Jun 2004 Posts: 56 City: New Port Richey

It sounds like what I want to do is a backside boardslide (180?) and not a backside surface 180. I think a backside surface 180 includes an ollie right?

Dave Barousse · Faceplant Joined: 10 Sep 2003 Posts: 5

If you have the Scape 107, your board is probably a little small for your height and weight, but you should stille easily be able to do surface tricks on it.

Do as you suggested and try taking your fins off to get the feel of it. I think that will help you do what you are trying to do. Most people are finding that they prefer to ride finless anyway. You may like that better.

Surface trick generally means that you are doing the trick without an ollie.

Iwksk8 · Ollie Joined: 06 Jun 2004 Posts: 56 City: New Port Richey

Thanks for the info... Every bit helps Smile

nick · Posted: Jun 07, 2004 9:19 am Post subject:

ride finless

twenty7 · Posted: Jun 14, 2004 2:08 am Post subject:

Iwksk8, best way to learn a BS surface 180 is as follows: cut outside the wake to the left of the boat if your right foot forward (right of the boat if your left foot forward)...reach behind you and grab the handle with your BACK hand...then simply let the boat pull you around backside. fins or no fins...doesnt matter...the pull of the boat spins you around so fast that you dont have time to think about what your doing and lose your ballance. i had problems with that as well till i accidentally figured out how to do the above. once you get good at that you can do the BS 180's anywhere.

dMaus · Pop Shuvit Joined: 10 Jun 2004 Posts: 121 City: Longwood

just dont even think about the trick you are doing and it comes easily, clear your mind and find a happy place. and then just cut out heelside untill you have slack in the rope and throw it and it should be easier than directly behinde the boat or ski.

Iwksk8 · Ollie Joined: 06 Jun 2004 Posts: 56 City: New Port Richey

Thanks for all the tips/suggestions everyone. It just took dedicating an hour or so and learn how much to lean away from the boat during the transition and cut out so that I have slack in the rope.

With 2 hours on saturday and 2 hours on Sunday, I can now do multiple surface 360's in a row switch and normal(Im goofy). I did a wrapped surface 360 too. Funny part is that my wife decided to turn the seadoo right when I had the wrap setup for the 360... I had to hold that pose and get swung around about 30+ mph Shocked

holding the wrap. I was not expecting that.

dmaus, having slack in the rope definately helped. I still find myself trying to use one arm while it is fully extended and trying to pull my arm all the way in and behind me with one hand, which is very difficult. I probably need to pay more attention and use both hands to pull the rope in closer so I dont have to pull so hard. Talk about a workout!

twenty7, you were right about the fins/no fins. The boat pulls you right around regardless of the fins.

Thanks again everyone. Now if I can just get better at ollies(currently 2-3 inches) I can start doing some oliie 180's(or whatever they are called Smile

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wakeman790 · Ollie Joined: 03 May 2004 Posts: 67 City: Indy

tie your rope on a tree and practice the handle pass. once you get better slow the boat speed real donwn.