The New REED article.

PIRATE · Kickflip Joined: 11 Jul 2006 Posts: 2651

Anyone read Reeds new article in Alliance ?

Great article first off, and i think he has a really valid point.

I have to respectfully disagree with him on some points though. I think the whole Aaron Gore/D. Hampson thing is a bit of a stretch. Correct me if i'm wrong but I dont think there is a sequence or Video of danny Hampson k-fliping that gap, I know that there's a single shot in a Old Oakley Add, But thats it (as far as I know). (i'm not saying he didn't cause i'm sure he did as well as others)

I do agree that it shouldn't be done on film in some instances but Certainly some exceptions apply. If Nick Taylore goes and 3 flips metro west that would be bad right ? But if he drags his hand should it be in a mag ?? Should it be in a video ?? And if it does make it to film or photo (which it shouldn't) Why isn't it o.k for someone else to go there and bust it clean ???

I meen dave backinsky k-fliped the El toro 20, something that alot of people thought impossible not to long ago. He did it clean to. BUT...... wouldn't you still want to see someone else do it in a video ?? Is there any loss of respect for dave? There's something to be said for being the First. Thats something no one can take......

And reed I direct this to you, Your texas gap was crazy, I meen super big, super progresive, and LEGIT !!! But why is it o.k for you to go back to the same spot that gave you so much media coverage 2 years later and ollie the same gap. I meen shouldn't you look at the old reed and say "i'm going to one up my last visit". Where do you draw the line. Do you think it would ever be o.k for Erik Ellington to go back and back big Carlsbad again ?? HELL NO !!!!! What about Reynolds fs-flip over the holleywood high 16 ??? again HELL NO !!!

If its not O.K for Gore to k-flip metro and get coverage than its sure as hell not o.k for you to go back and do the same thing over the same gap.

(i'm not taking away anything from you or your gap or your article. I actually believe that you have a very solid point, and I may disagree with some aspects, But i do respect that its your opinion.)

Let the Healthy conflict begin.

wakemitch · Posted: Aug 21, 2006 2:52 pm Post subject:

i think i know what reed was saying. its ok to go and do the same trick at a gap, but it doesnt need to get coverage in a magazine of a video because its been done. i dont think there is anything wrong with taking your own pics or video for personal enjoyment or whatever, but not a professional video again. I think it is dumb to say that you cant try a trick at a certain place just because its been done before. and i dont think aaron ment that. i would love to go to metro west just to ollie it because it would be fun, i dont care if its not progressive for the sport but it is to me personally because ive never done anything like that before, but i agree that it doesnt need to be in a magazine or video because its been done before.

oh and about the gore/hampson deal, i always thought danny didnt land it. but if he did i dont know what to say because that sequence of gore is clean. i would make it a poster and put it up on my wall.

PIRATE · Kickflip Joined: 11 Jul 2006 Posts: 2651

wakemitch, i'm talking about strictly mags, and Video Coverage. My point is, alot of stuff makes in in the mag that isn't very clean. I dont want to pick on reed here but just for instance Aron has 2 shots in the last alliance, One of which is probably my favorite shot of him its the sequence of his w2w 3 in the LF add, and it truly shows how badddddd assssss of a rider he is, but IMO shots like his Nose blunt/5-0 thingy are sketch because of his back foot coming off. I know i'm nit picking but you get my drift.

Back on point it should be O.K for someone to go back and do the trick cleaner, If the mags aren't going to filter through and make sure that only LEGIT tricks are getting published then its up to Wakeskaters as a whole to go out and when you see someone do something GAY, go out and Do it right.

Again i'm not picking on Aaron and i meen No disrespect, If anything i'm trying to meet his request of people giving him ideas to write about. It pisses me off when people dont know how to have Conflict in a good/healthy way. I dont think Aarons one of those guys so i'm not worried about it.

wakemitch · Posted: Aug 21, 2006 3:02 pm Post subject:

PIRATE, i agree with you completely. i know what you're saying. in my first post i was just saying what i thought about the article

Jesse · Posted: Aug 21, 2006 3:08 pm Post subject:

Whats the deal with this guy and his "Rules"? Doesn't the very idea of them go against why most of us do this activity in the first place?

mario c. · Guest

i enjoyed gore's sequence at metro the most. the essence of skateboarding on water.
i also enjoyed tompkins k-flip at metro in i.i.t..
rules are for team sports.
lets see some wakeskating no matter what you'r doing, where you'r at, or when it was.
peace in da middle east.
nukka C.

wakemitch · Posted: Aug 21, 2006 3:50 pm Post subject:

doesnt clint tompkins do a hardflip down metro west in in its travels? or was that a varial flip?

chris o, can you watch my copy and find out Laughing

chriscut · Backside 180 Joined: 28 Jun 2004 Posts: 2000

wakemitch, He vflipd it, I know that for sure. so clean.

electricsnow · cassette Joined: 14 Sep 2003 Posts: 10756 City: Jefferton

there IS video footage of danny hampson kickflipping metrowest. Watch retrospect through the credits and you'll see it...

mario c. · Guest

Jesse, activity is such a better word than sport. right on bruh. Cool

Jesse · Posted: Aug 21, 2006 6:47 pm Post subject:

Nobody does tricks the same, that is the bottom line and even though I agree with not wanting video parts to get staggnant, I enjoy seeing what each persons style does to trick, everyones style gives differnet touches.

Nekkie · Posted: Aug 21, 2006 7:51 pm Post subject:

Well PIRATE I'm glad you brought that up Smile

I agree with you 100%.... I freaked out when I saw that article lol, I had just come out of the Innuendo premiere... So I completely get your point.

I dont see why there shouldn't be anymore pics in mags or vids of guys kfliping over metro west... Everyone has a different style and it is always cool to see a good trick on a known gap!!! I am all for finding new spots and being creative. What Kyle is doing is awsome, trying to uncover new spots, but that doesn't mean he should be the only one hitting it and that everyone going after him wont be "legit"... thats just dumb... I know that reed in this article is calling for pro's to step it up and not do the same shizzle over again (innuendo?? mind you that I LOVED to see Reed hit it again, and didnt find it lame cause he didn't *step it up* with a shuv or something...). But just doing something again better or at least with a different style is worth a mag or a vid part imo... Afro

Mr. Top Hat · Dead Joined: 29 Aug 2004 Posts: 5818

this whole topic has me a bit sketched out. it seems to me that some people have too much time to think about the unspoken rules of wakeskating and the documentation that follows it.

jonnyUTAH · Backside 180 Joined: 27 Aug 2004 Posts: 1951

Style is the best form of progression (IMO).

jerrysk8 · Posted: Aug 21, 2006 10:08 pm Post subject:

everyone should familiarise themselves with the term ABD!!!

VonBoggin · Backside 180 Joined: 21 Nov 2005 Posts: 1666 City: Austin

jonnyUTAH, i agree, ex: if you can pop 3 shuvs clean just on anything and make it look effort less then i think that looks better than just almost any trick

xstfu ill pwn youx · Backside 180 Joined: 17 Nov 2005 Posts: 837 City: 954.

just ride.

NaRC-P rider · Posted: Aug 22, 2006 1:28 am Post subject:

i havent read the article, but i think what gore did was needed - a clean, solid kickflip down that gap. people had seen hampson try it in sfumato and yeah, he did land it in the CREDITS of retropsect... if danny had done it really good in sfumato then it would be kinda gay for gore to get it sequenced, but it needed to be done, everyone saw hampson try it in sfumato and just wanted it to be done. in some other cases i know what aaron reed might be talking about, but i think he used a poor example.

ollieshuvitz · Posted: Aug 22, 2006 1:42 am Post subject:

wakemitch, I didn't watch it, but ChrisB has it right. Super clean varial flip down metro west.

HatzicScape112 · Posted: Aug 22, 2006 1:44 am Post subject:

well, in my opinion i think that jsut becasue someone has done it then that doesnt mean that others cant do it and get coverage for it. If i remember correctly, ryan lemons got a full page shot of him doing a re-entry 3 shuv, so pretty much reed is saying no one else should get a shot in a mag for that? thats bull, every one has their own style and if we limit our videos and mag pics to a certain level of "first come first serve" then we as lower level wakeskaters shoudl pretty mch jsut hang up the shoes because by the time most of us get to the level of riding now, we wouldnt get any coverage because its all been done. i would love to see 5 or 6 pro skaters go to one gap and all kickflip, v-flip, and anything else they wanna throw down jsut so we can all see their style and then get a proper respect for the tricks they are throwing down and which in turn grows into more respect for ther riders themselves.